We have been overwhelmed with emails regarding Woodie's behavior. Some very furious at him for betraying their trust and friendship. Many others ranting about how selfish, self centered and ego driven he has become over the last 2 years. Some even calling for an outright ban of his room and any services he pushes.
This thread is our attempt to get to the bottom of this. Are they just being complainers because they all lose money anyways? Are they being truthful in their comments? Is Woodie really selfish or did he help all of you to trade and you have forgotten that? Or has Woodie really taken a turn for the worse, become the 'Guru' that he once very strongly put down everyday before and lost all of his friends along the way?
Adding to the debate we have collected two statements from Woodie himself:
-[3:12:41 PM] woodie says:
there are others from S&P pit i helped too..
- [3:54:18 PM] woodie says:
i survived 28 years trading..more is not better..
Questions to fuel the conversation:
Question - Did Woodie really help anyone at all? Or did the people that learned his system teach everyone? Many people say that Woodie never really has taught anyone and that he can't. In fact they say that if it wasn’t for a few select people creating his methods and teaching people that he wouldn’t be anywhere today. They say that all that he can do is utter a few words before losing energy or getting mad because the student questions his comments. What do you think?
Question - Has Woodie really survived 28 years of trading? Has he ever traded enough and exposed his results during each day enough to show that he truly can trade? We obtained a direct comment from Woodie from a emailer where Woodie stated that just up until the start of the previous chatroom he wasn't profitable or consistent. But he stated that he was using CCI for many years. What do you know about it? What do you think about the topic?
Question – Why can’t Woodie answer the hard hitting questions? Why does he avoid them at all costs instead of just explaining the situation if it were simple as that?
Question – Can you learn the CCI without Woodie, his chat room or his, what some call, expensive, unnecessary and boring trading seminars? Is it even possible or do you have to be alongside Woodie so he can teach you the details?
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Question – Why can’t Woodie answer the hard hitting questions? Why does he avoid them at all costs instead of just explaining the situation if it were simple as that?
Question – Can you learn the CCI without Woodie, his chat room or his, what some call, expensive, unnecessary and boring trading seminars? Is it even possible or do you have to be alongside Woodie so he can teach you the details?
The answers are NO he can't answer the hard hitting questions. He boots people for asking them. Where has everyone gone? Why is everyone new? Why is it that everyone that hangs around and helps woodie seems to be people that are clueless or don't even come close to getting involved.
Can you learn from Woodie? NO. Woodie couldn't fill a sponge with his training skills. Why do you think he has written next to nothing on his own supposed subject?
Do you need the seminars? NO. Hell NO. send your money directly to the Children of Make A Wish so they actually get it and read the documents instead. There is NOTHING at the seminars that will teach you more then the documents and the chat room. Don't be fooled. You all know that. I sure do, now after 3 seminars.
That poster was really right on target.
You can see by Cathy's post she really doesn't understand debate, logic, word usage, phrases or intellect what so ever. All she can do is resort to name calling or telling them childish phrases like 'you are a child'.
She is the same type that calls men perverts when in fact she wishes they were like that toward her. Get the idea? See how it works?
Cathy, really, can you refrain from posting here if you can debate the topics. You really do disrupt it and make Woodie like bad.
Does Woodie want you to post here?
Does he know you post here?
You want to answer any questions at all? Or avoid anything that hurts you or makes you wise up?
Woodie has told people im PM's that he reads this blog and is frustrated by how much everyone knows.
Guess who told me that when 'they' were drunk?
Cathy is an ad pushing moron. Just look at how she responds.
Is that the best she can do? rofl
Why can't women ever respond with facts and logic?
Cathy is simply a Woodie-Loving, head in the sand face-drooping nasty old woman. Eeeeewwww! Yuk.
Woodie's site is a great place for beginners to learn something, anything about trading. But the fact of the matter is once they learn enough to trade then Woodie's is not the place for them. With the 5 minute only legal crap and can't recommend a book legal crap Woodie's place becomes a very narrow focused place. To expand trading knowledge or simply discuss anything else related to trading is not allowed in Woodie's room. And don't fall for the blatent advertizing for PFG. If it's good for one it should be good for all and thats just not the case. So all in all Woodie's place and what he tries to do is very good, but it has become just what he said he did not want. Pushing the commercial crap of others. If you can see past that Woodie's is fine. If your looking for more and knowledgable discussions about any trading topics then its time to move on.
The last poster hit the nail right on the head.
Woodie's Room is for beginners. It only teaches one style of trading. The focus is narrow so they can teach the basics.
This room is not about developing your own style, but learning to trade at a very basic level. It is for people from all walks of life.
It gets bigger and bigger every day. More and more people tune in to hear what Woodie has to say.
Anyone who says Woodie's Room is not a success is fooling themselves. The numbers of eyes in his room do not lie. It may be the biggest trading room on the planet.
Go Woodie!
I will add another new Woodie falsehood to the list and that is in daytrading that longer term charts are not useful. Another blatant lie. The idea that one chart one time frame, no prices is the only way to Daytrade is just silly. Anyone new to this game who buys into that load of BS is just asking to get hosed so quickly that they wont know what hit them. I see charts and commentary in there based on a 5 minute chart only that maybe gives you a lagging cci trigger on a 5 minute chart that is SO late and then (lmao), trying to stay in this late entry with a 6 tick stop. This is just to silly, and if it wasnt some peoples real money it is hilarious.
Of course you need faster charts, maybe some tick charts or volume charts or range bar charts and of course you need to have an idea of what the longer term charts are doing. This is trading not throwing darts. No one said this is an easy game and the ability to evaluate multiple pieces of information and make a decision is a skill that must be developed. Does a quarterback or a hitter in baseball not evalauate what the defense is giving him to work with and then decide what type of play to put on. How many different pieces of information are being evaluated before a split second decision is made? Woodie says in daytrading you have to react and you cant evaluate all that. BS! Maybe he can't, but if you want to get out of this scalping, high stress, high commission nonsense then you should start expanding your knowledge base and see what's out there. Sure it is complex and in a room full of newbies it makes for a lot of noise , what chart is that , etc. questions. But move on and go to a room where there are exeperienced traders using different things and watch and listen and slowly build your own system of tools before it is to late.
Thank you Woodie for making the market move my way after I am already in the trade. Isn't that what you love to say? The CCI 5 minute entry is sooooo late and slow! Its good to know that you are creating the momentum to make my trade work and I am taking off my first piece to you as you enter. Oh yes, and then you get stopped out as the market pauses because that isnt a zlr, but thats OK we have no problems. Then no., it's a famir. ok get in there, and oops, that pauses could be a late zlr after all, another stop. That's OK, we have no problems. Then no , it is a VT, back in again. You've been stopped twice now and are down MAYBE 12 ticks plus comiss. at best. and probably much more than that. HA! I have been in the move off of PRICE the whole time, had one trade only and partial off at this pause as it was a line on a PRICE chart that defined the pause.
My point is that there is more to this than just the money business with Woodie. He is just espousing trading info that is wrong!
Move on before you get caught up in this nonsense. Been there done that.
Glad that works for you. But I used to be a price, time and volume traders like many others and can tell you that the CCI works much better overall as I use it. Maybe it is just better for me. I still love to watch price bars but my entries on it would lag compared to the CCI.
As for Woodie and his BS I agree. You can smell a huge amount of lying croming from his mouth about using Esignal instead of Sierra Charts or going to his seminars when you can just stay in the room, etc, etc.
In the room, Woodie says he gets free Esignal because he talks for them at trading expos. But it is a very expensive platform.
TradeMaven is a dreadful peice of software. I lost a lot of money on it. I don't reccomend it.
Genesis/TradeNavigator is a really decent package. One charge of $99 or $495. CBOT data is free. The CCI is coming soon, plus some more brokers like PFG.
I had TradeStation. It is really clunky to use IMHO. And they never seem to get good brokerages.
I also had Datek and Ameritrade...but that was back in the stone age. LOL.
Maybe start a thread on platforms and brokers. I know that is the question most often asked in any chat room.
There were over 500 people in the Woodie's CCI chat rooms yesterday.
This must be the largest trading chat room on the planet...and it is all FREE.
Most of those people are us logging in to track the BULLSHIT that the FAUX-WOOD pushes.
Oh wait. That YOU push Cathy.
I forgot you are his advertising bitch that isn't really wanted in FAUX-WOOD's room but no one will tell you.
Wonder why they won't tell you?
Guess your opinion don't matter to me.
Obviously if we have 500 people in Woodie's Rooms, it does not matter to them either.
LOL
It's just entertainment and what the heck it is FREE! I haven't found much in life that was FREE that was worth a whole lot anyway. I do use thoe FREE coupons when they come in the mail though. But if you think about it, do ever really patronize those businesses that send out those FREE or discount things after you use their coupon?
And what's with the 2 million hits thing on the website? You have to go through the website to get to the FREE room and it sometimes that great FREE software doesnt work so maybe it takes you 5-6 hits on the website to get the link to the FREE room. LOL, doesnt take long to generate a lot of hits that way.
I do enjoy the entertainment and I so do like being in a trade off of a PRICE level and then watching all the lemmings piling on to help "move it my way" as woodster likes to say.
Keep up the good work with that lagging cci woodie...You are making me a lot of money and securing my trade when I take off the first piece and trade it with your very late and lagging entries!
lmao
a few posts back, on july 27, anonymous talks about using price levels to day trade. Can you recomend any good books or web sites that teach this style of trading. this could be the next step or level in trading after trading cci. I know there is a lot of garbage out there so any quality books or web sites you could recomend would be appreciated. thank you
Try Carolyn Boroden http://www.syncmt.com/ for price level information. She is really good.
Research a few things. Murrey Math, Gann (Sq of Nines), Fib stuff (Carolyn to learn that) and there are others. But start "reading" books and documents to educate yourself on price levels. You will see opportunities off of levels that will make cci look downright silly. Develop a trading system around price levels and you will be in way before the cci crowd and you will be watching the cci just for entertainment.
That's pretty funny about learning from Carolyn Boroden. She doesn't trade and has no idea what it's actually like to have money on the line. She makes all her money from chat rooms and workshops. Her work is okay but has nothing to do with real daytraders at all. Learn from the TRADER who taught her, Robert Miner, www.dynamictraders.com. Or from the guy who learned from her and actually does trade with this material and CCI too, Mark Braun. www.mjbraun.net
I have blown out my last account trying to trade. Woodie's room was my last resort. It turned out to be crap just like all the rest of the "systems" out there.
When you go to a Trade Along, they show you that damn coin toss makes just as much money. That in itself shows how valuable CCI is. LOL.
I don't blame anyone but myself. But man this was one expensive waste of time.
I am sorry to hear about your last trading adventure and also sorry but not surprised to hear that it occured in the woodshed.
That whole thing is not a system. It is nothing more than a bunch of hypothetical BS, smothered with some more BS. You throw enough BS on the wall and something will stick. There are never any precise entries and stops and exits given,and you will have a helluva a time trying to get those entries and those small stops will probably be at least 5-10 ticks greater than the after the fact analysis states.
Late lagging entries, to early exits on winners a bunch of small losses all add up to nothing but a losing frustrated trader.
Want to talk about HOPE mode?
I HOPE the big mouthed, blow-hard lying wanna be trader that uses his wife’s family’s money to try to trade with was one of the people in the plane crash in his home state.
Please let him be on that flight. Please, please...
It would be a relief to all of us to know that he has passed away in a fiery death.
Now wouldn’t that be a 'home-run' trade so to speak lol.
Wow, you are one sick dude.
You are such an ignoramous. Get out a map of the United States idiot. Lexington is in Kentucky and last I looked that was a separate state from Tennessee.
That is quite a combo....not only is Aug. 27 sick, but he is also stupid....Wow better put your head in the oven bud, no hope at all for you!
The Woodshed is now "The Robin Dayne Room"....She has no credentials and is a Tony Robbins clone. So he is now selling her snake oil. What a joke.
Fleecing the newbies is what it's about now?
isn't that what it's always been about?
Maybe not - it's always been about fleecing anyone who had the misfortune to stay for any length of time.
I been gone awhile. What's the latest crap Woodie's been pulling?
Woodie's still around? Man, it seems like a different lifetime since that hypester was on the scene. Like Tokyo Joe. Like the late Chris Antley with his "Triple Crown" of YHOO, AOL and EBAY. All crappy scamolas.
Does Woodie still pretend to talk to the President? I'd suspect Woodie's popularity ratings are in the range of Bush's, another of the professional lying liars.
Best thing that ever happened to me was when Woodie kicked out Gio. I've been in her room since and making a decent living (finally!). This is my first post here and if I can give my two cents, either join a room like Gio's, whether it's the free room or pay room, or quit trading all together rather than stay in a room like Woodie's.
I can't believe how much money Woodie's "free" room cost me.
You ever notice how Dennis, or Sport as he likes to be called after being exposed to a scam by the floor traders for a bogus black box trading system, never completes what he says he is going to.
All this hype about how HE is going to show you and teach you all about trading, yeah right - as if he knows how to trade, and then never did?
He does stuff like this all the time in his pathetic blog, where by the way, all he is doing is showing off some house that is being built with his wife’s family’s money.
What a blow hard dennis is. Nothing more then a coward that never showed up to trade live in a room that was created for him.
Coward, wanna-be-trader.
Woodie's "free" room - lol
I found gio's room too and know now why woodie musta kicked her out. She can trade and he's an idiot. Gotta be jealousy.
Anyone remember how just a couple years ago woodie was supposed to be at death's door. He was supposed to be too sick to run the room, let alone run all around the world. As always he got everyone else to do the work for him. Everyone felt so bad for the old fart. It seems as long as there's a free trip involved he can trounce all over the world and feel just fine.
If he can lie about his health I guess it's easy to lie about how well he uses cci.
Where is Susan?
Why doesn't TonyBaloneyUK moderate during his trading?
Why are the long time moderators all lamers and don't trade?
Can anybody answer these questions for me?
Why did Kiwi, Fitzy and Blinky all blow out their accounts to ZERO using the CCI? Poor guys. What a bunch of bozos those guys were.
Susan is in Japan for the birth of the new Prince.
Tony took his act on the road and now is doing standup at "Catch a Rising Star"
Kiwi, Fitzi and Blinky own a new disco with Paris Hilton.
And Stan, what are you doing today besides pretending to be a real trader?
Well, Susan's worst fears have come true....
Remember back in that hotel room in Vegas when she was all broken up and crying about needing someone to take the load off poor old tired Woodie?
Well today it showed how he's starting to slip. Someone asked about Gio, and he claimed he had no idea who that person was.
His memory has started to go. This must be the first stage of something serious. I mean, he wouldn't just outright lie about something, would he?
Susan was right, we should have heeded her warning.
the funny thing is that the people who have been with woodie the longest believe he doesn't know who gio is and they figure they must have just imagined her too - lol
what a bunch of rubes
Anyone here going to the Las Vegas TAL on Halloween?
There's enough scary characters around on Halloween. Who needs to go all the way to Las Vegas to see Woodie?
I wonder if this is Woodie's last Trade Along?
sport really is a moron. not to mention a scammer. read below and see it for yourself.
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Sunday, September 10, 2006
MIA...........BUT
Since my son went off to college, I have had to pick up his slack.....I can't believe it , seens like yesterday he was climbing up the steps of the big yellow bus and was off to kindergarden as I wiped tears from my eyes. My little "mini me" (well he is actually an inch shorter) is out in the big world and I am stuck waiting by the phone.......
Life will soon get back to normal and I can get back to playing with you guys, until then....I miss ya and I love ya.......well most of you anyways. ROTFL!!!
There is an experiment under way, another one of those grand studies into human nature...fear/greed and so on. If I am correct about this theroy, then I will be able to lay out in detail, why (if you haven't already) you'll never make it trading....PERIOD. Unless you can re-program yourself and I believe that just won't happen.
We just completed a study on blood pressure as a measure of stress and are amazed with the results.....will be writing an article about it for one of the industry rags.
Final details are being worked out for a 2 day yada yada workshop, then 3 days of trading...no hands barred...food fight....take no prisoners trading...real money...real time. This is the workshop that people have asked for. Not promoting any software, vendors and other noise just hard nose trading. In addition, if you want after the workshop, you'll be able to lease the system for yourself if "you" meet the requirements.
If the saying is right....and you get what you pay for.....then please believe me this ain't going to be for FREEEEEEeeeeeeeeee. If you want it for FREEEEeeeeee then you know where you can go until you blow your cash, Steve and Woods are waitin for ya. The people that sat in the front row during a Vegas TAL and listened to my laptop talk to me about setups...and then the trigger and pulling half off and the cover understand what I am talking about.....for the rest of ya...well, if after the first day you don't like what you heard so far.....you get a full refund and you can pack it up and leave, I'll even pay for your ticket out of town!!!!!
This workshop should be the best educational workshop EVER......
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And what happened to Trader's Paradise? Suddenly it is gone.
What happened? Did his lawyers tell him to remove all those pix so the guys who fell couldn't use the pix of all those flimsy scaffolds to sue his ass? Or is he tired of ragging on woodie?
I notice he avoids questions like....
Did they find the person who burnt down your house?
Are the men who fell several stories sheetrocking your hillbilly heaven ok or dead?
How did you make all this money?
Sport is a con man.
Why would you think it's Woodie's last Tradealong?
There are a lot of reasons why this could be woodie's last TAL.
1. He is no youngster and he has health problems.
2. The cost of running them is more than the cheapo members will pay. The price keeps going up.
3. There have been so many.
4. The CCI is not working well as an indicator.
5. Members are too cheap to go.
6. He got fed up.
I wonder how much Dennis is gonna charge for this new seminar of his? When they don't give a price, I would guess $5,000. "U have to be qualified" " to lease the system".
Smells like bullshit to me.
Did Woodie really claim to not know who Gio is? I assume that the poster on September 22 was kidding?
Anyone else hear Woodie claim he didn't know her?
Well whatever makes woodie forget Gio is catching.....TW said the same thing the other day. LOL.
Actually TW was a little more forthcoming by also stating they are not supposed to talk about it, instead of acting like a total assclown like the other guy did.
So who can tell me what is going on with Woodie recently?
"The Tony Baloney Trade" is what it should be called. Get a load of this. Tony doesn't even trade. This is their attempt to give a reason for them to pay money for his first classs flights and accomodations around the world to attend the seminars. What a load of bullshit. They are taking money straight out of the childrens pockets.
Woodie is a scammer and I have always know it. I could smell it from the first time he PM'ed me and asked for help due to his health. Scammer.
BULLSHIT ARTIST.
Seems Drbob is tossing out anyone that won't comply with his directive...whatever it is...first he's an expert at CB's symmetry one week, a disciple of Frank Dilernia the next...rotfl
He actually threw out some poor guy today...only because he happened to be a member of another HotComm room. Drbob was insulted that someone in his room was also in another room? rotflmao!
Could this be a familiar grandiosity we've seen before?...rotfl
ISN'T THAT LIKE WHAT WOODIE DOES?
The reason drbob threw out the guy was not because he was in another room. It was because the guy refused to share his charts and methods from the other room. This is a guy who has been tradershaven for a long time and has got a lot of information from the room and now wont share something new in the room but still wanted to be there.
I understand completely.
The other guy was in a room which was working with proprietary information. Now if drbob wants to create a policy stating that if you're going to be in his room you can ONLY be in his room, that's one thing. But if he's going to say that anyone in his room is supposed to be a little agent for gathering other people's information, data gained through paid or membership based access, and then disseminating it for free in his room... well then he's simply encouraging theft of service. By ejecting that guy he proved that in order to be part of his group, his inner circle, you have to be willing to be a thief. Very nice. As an example, if CB wants to charge for access to her chat room and information, wouldn't she have the right to consider herself ripped off if someone were to quote information derived from a subscription to her room in drbob's room? The argument that people have shared information freely in his room before is irrelevant. That information was based on techniques learned by the Tradershaven membership and freely sharable as application to current market conditions would have been generated by the members themselves. That's very different from asking someone, demanding that someone, share information derived from a current membership in a different chat room where the policy is one of keeping the information private, for whatever reason.
I applaud the guy who drbob ejected for remaining ethical in a difficult situation and not just drinking the Koolaid.
Bob should state a policy up front. Either you can't be in here and not share everything you know when asked, or you can't be in here and in other rooms at the same time, or at least you can't talk about what you know from other sources unless you're willing to share the methods behind that information.
But in this case, it was bob himself who tracked down the fact that the other guy was a member of this other room, and then demanded that he share. What is he, the trading secret police? And then to call him on it on the spot, publicly no less, share this other room's proprietary info or get out! That IS what happened. Anyone supporting that needs to look in the mirror, do a reality check.
Good point that "theft of service" was encouraged; in fact it was demanded. That's unethical at best, illegal at worst.
The Hotcomm stalking is just plain creepy, and pathetic.
Besides Bob cannot demand that Hotcomm be used according to HIS terms, since it's a subscription service paid for by subscribers. Only Hotcomm can place limitations on how the service is used by their customers.
Guess we've got another "free" room owner demanding something in return that is much more valuable than money, which would be one's honor.
Realy pathetic.
The most disturbing thing is that no one challenged Bob. In fact, many supported his position.
I, for one, will not be returning to his room. I need to be able to face myself in that mirror. Anyone else?
Anonymous Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:21:35 AM
You said:
"I understand completely."
Are you serious?
Why would Bob have rights to know what methods are used by other traders, whether or not they are in his room, if they don't wish to reveal them?
In other words, if you choose to enter DrBob's Hotcomm room, it does not mean that you automatically surrender your rights to privacy, or that the rights of other parties no longer apply.
Think about that a bit more.
And then there's this in the Hotcomm Terms of Service:
"...(h) USER will not transmit by means of the Service any materials of any kind which (i) violate, plagiarize, or infringe on the intellectual property or contractual rights of any third party;..."
Bob's demand for information to which he has no rights was reprehensible, and wrong, no matter how you look at it.
Seriously, who does he think he is? His owning a Hotcomm room does not bestow upon him the rights to private information, regardless of whose information it is or the reasons for which said information is private.
And the above poster is right in that Bob's demand was an attempt at "theft of service". It also demonstrates that Bob's wishes are, to him, more important than anyone else's wishes, needs, honor, rights or privacy. How preposterous is that?
Do you still support Bob's position now?
The guy who was kicked out did the right thing to honor his agreement with the owner of the proprietary information.
Bob was very, very wrong. In fact, he owes everyone who was in his room on Friday an apology...everyone, especially the guy he threw out for not caving in and thereby compromising his own honor and breaking his agreement with someone else.
Are you thinking clearly about this? Do you still "understand completely"?
Bob,
Your "visceral" reaction lasted at least 2 days, if the transcripts are any indication. I think you might have meant "knee-jerk" reaction, in which case 2 days seems quite a long time for such a reaction to persist. But I'm not a doctor.
Over a 2 day period, you consistently bitched about people who used your room not sharing third-party copyrighted and proprietary information from other rooms, and you seemed genuinely embittered that some people were both in your room and looking at something else.
What in the world does it have to do with you anyway? What business is it of yours? I am truly saddened if I am the first one to break it to you...but someone else's trading is about their trading, it's not about you. In fact, I think that if those in your room would put your room above their own trading, the room itself in aggregate would become fairly useless.
I would like to think that you're not that pathologically narcissistic. But the fact is that you stated again and again over a 2 day period that you felt that YOU had the right to the proprietary information of a third-party (their business assets) and that YOUR ROOM was more important than their agreements/contracts with some of your room members.
You then proceeded to try to bully and intimidate someone in your room into doing something unethical and illegal.
Did you really need "the cold light of day" to see how wrong that was? If so, I quite doubt your capacity to really understand the implications of what you did. And I quite expect you to do it again.
How difficult is it to recognize that stealing and breaking contracts, or trying to bully and intimidate someone else into doing so for your benefit, is wrong?
It's not like they were posting trade after winning trade in your room and then refusing to disclose the setups, which would clearly constitute grounds for ejection. So what on earth does it have to do with you?
Now, what about this stalking on Hotcomm? What's up with that? Just thinking about it makes me shudder. It's not against the Terms of Service, but it's really creepy. Do you really spend your valuable time checking up on what people who participate in your room are doing in other Hotcomm rooms? Now that's got a familiar ring, doesn't it? Give some real thought to that.
Here's some breaking news for you: subscribers to paid Hotcomm client software are permitted to use it in any way they wish so long as said use doesn't violate the law or the Hotcomm Terms of Service.
Speaking of the Terms of Service, you would certainly have violated them had you succeeded in intimidating someone into posting third-party proprietary/private information, and thus violating the rights of the information owner; but I am wondering if your demand, in and of itself, constitutes a violation.
And finally, it was horrifying to see your position supported by others in the room. I don't know about you, but I prefer to surround myself with friends and associates who, not only think for themselves, but care enough about me and respect me enough to let me know when they can see that I am wrong. Think about it...that's real strength in numbers.
But if you prefer sycophants over those who respect you enough to be honest with you...well, I find that quite sad...not to mention disturbingly reminiscent.
A nice guy/gal gets his/her own chat room and the next thing you know he/she turns into a pompous ass. Sounds familiar.
Very familiar.
This whole stupid drama unfolded during the height of the trading day too.
Someone's ego was more important than the timbre of the trading room during such a critical time.
And bob, since you represent a paid room as well, your AMT room - should other room owners feel entitled to insist on anyone in THAT room sharing proprietary information which you obviously attempted to safeguard? Oh yes, and promote as well.
You're nothing but a sham. You've set up tradershaven as a way to get people to bring new trading ideas to YOU. And your apology is just carefully considered spin. You've always failed to see the line between someone's personal info, which they can share, and proprietary info which they have no right to share. It's very unlikely that this will change.
Your apology is just designed to get your little groupies to accept you once again as their white knight, while you hope that they overlook your unscrupulous behavior.
"I heard that he was in the pay room, period."
So what? What does someone being in a paid room have to do with you?
Is your room about trading? or is it about what others are doing in other rooms?
As for my having protested against your unconscionable demands during your 2-day tirade, I did so. I will post the transcript here, including pm's, if you wish.
Of course I have priorities in my life other than Traders Haven, so I was not following the debaucle minute by minute.
But I did register my objections publically and im pm's. It's in your transcript.
But it was clear that reason and logic had long departed the building--so to speak.
It's in your transcript. Let me know if you need for me to repost here.
Bob is full of crap. He obviously is 'acting' like he is sorry but that is due to the fact that too many people are objecting to his ranting and actions.
Not because he is truely sorry.
He threw a good friend of mine which is an excellent trader over a year ago I believe for just asking how much hotcomm rooms cost, etc. That person was trying trying to ask simple questions and was treated like a prisoner in a war camp and was booted after the 'kool-aide' drinked group spewed and drooled over Bob's ranting about how that person is a spy and why won't they tell who and what their name is and on and on.
It made no sense then and no sense now. Except that Bob does seem to have some type of personality disorder. Manic maybe as well as being hostal and confrontational to say the least.
Bob is no professional, obviously.
Bob said: "In the context of legality and terms of service, etc., I realize that there are limitations that restrict what some may share."
Well that's him in a nutshell. If the law says it's something they can't share, well then that's one thing. But if it's JUST someone's sense of moral obligation and personal ethics which prevents the almighty bob from getting his hands on a third party's info, well then the heck with that... just as long as we don't get caught! And if we do, hey just spin it, "It's all for the cause".
Terrible example to follow and it's sad too because he probably doesn't even realize it himself. The rest of you though, if you have the brains to trade, you should have the brains to see when you're being used and also taking advantage of others. Unless you like the tidbits and fallout which bob's scavenger hunts and bullying bring to you too much to listen to your own sense of morality.
I do remember when Bob kicked out a member for asking how much the rooms cost. I knew then what you guys are learning now about Bob.
He is paranoid, unreasonable and shows no leadership abilities whatsoever.
Good luck with him.
The reason woodie and bob need so much control is that they are out of control with their trading. Woodie is a poor trader and so is Bob. If you disagree then think back to when you saw them trade continuously for days and days showing their results.
There have only been a few people that show their results and even sport isn't one of them. This tells you a great deal about their abilities or lack of I should say.
Dr. Boob was never the brightest bulb in the pack. Anyone remember when he made the nasty comments about Gio when he pm'd someone in Woodie's room and it ended up being broadcast to everyone? I still think of David Letterman pulling his own tie and making "I think I'm choking" noises from embarassment and picture poor ole Bob doing the same. Still cracks me up after all this time - lol
Most of us, at one time or another, have made the mistake of accidentally posting something in the main room when we meant to post through a Private Message. Once it's posted, there's no taking it back either.
Of course, it's always that one post you REALLY don't want to share with the main room audience. It happens to many of us eventually.
The real issue here IMO is stealing, stalking, bullying and intimidation.
I agree that those are the important issues, but his errant pm sure showed the the maliciousness of his character. Posting it in the room (even accidentally) just highlighted that character.
It takes a real class act to rip someone who furnishes a free room & tries to share information w/ other traders for one infraction, especially since you hang around his room picking up what you can and never offering anything in return. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain who you are, no matter if you post anonymously or not. Why don't all you assholes that do nothing but post negative comments here about people who actually give of their time and resources take a flying leap. You are really pathetic POS's.
One infraction? Dr. Bob has been a jerk for about as long as he's been around. I'm not a visitor to his room so I couldn't care less if he charges for it or not. He learned well from Woodie and makes his money behind everyone's backs. Why charge when just mere room numbers brings in sponsors?
You're not a visitor? You're either a bad liar or a fool. Why bother to post then, dumbass. If you don't like Woodie or what he does, don't go to his site. Same for TH. Is someone forcing you, or you just a ignorant troublemaker? Maybe they should take the computers out of the asylum's TV room so you can't hurt yourself. What a GD POS loser you are.
Pretty funny. That dumbshit that posted about "knowing" about how Woodie & Drbob make money behind everybody's back should post their name. I'm sure they would both like to sue that scank for all she's worth. There are laws around to take care of idiots like that. Come on, bigmouth!
uh oh - lools like the tough guys are crawling out of the woodwork lol. yikes - and they're bringing their lawyers with them lololol. That poster better run and hide lolololol.
Don't be an idiot. Look at woodie's website. In case you're not aware, the internet allows for payments (referral fees) for certain companies that have their links posted on someone else's site. These click-thru's can amount to substantial amounts. Woodie's site is like a billboard. Call any of the companies listed and ask how you can be part of their referral program. Ask Woodie what he (or TonyUK) gets out of the deal. See how quickly he dismisses your question.
As far as Bob, I think he's a little more upfront about his endorsements if you pm him. I'm not certain though as it's been over a year since my last visit there. As I recall Bob or Dharma (I dont even know if she's still there) commented a long time ago they would have guest speakers provided they pay for what amounts to advertising. I have no problem with that either. Who says they shouldn't be allowed to make money however they can? Just don't profess they get nothing if they're getting something.
Sure the rooms are free to attend, but that wasn't that poster's point (imo.) It's actually none my or anyone else's business what Woodie or Tony or Bob or anyone else makes in their room. Just don't try and bs everyone that it's being done out of the goodness of your heart (and your wallet.)
I thought this blog had already died a slow death. Looks like its still bleeding. Haven't we been down this road before about Woodie. He does so much for so many and you people are still saying he's cheating you?
lol, bob posting anonymously now to defend himself. Yes it makes a difference BOOB. You can quit the stupid put up your dukes bullshit. You guys defending him, if there is actually anyone else defending him, just don't understand the issues. Koolaid must be tastier than I thought.
Dead blog? What are you smoking. This is the only place where fair comments can be spoken and done so openly without fear of retailiation. You know, like what Woodie does or Bob does when they don't like what you say.
Get off the crack and back to reality. It is only YOU that believes what you say.
It's dead as far as I'm concerned. Post another link in Woodie's room and I'll personally boot your butt out.
Anonymous said...
I'm guessing Dana will be the next winner in the "mod-be-gone" contest
Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:37:36 PM
Wow pretty prophetic, first the Dana ghost document gets the "text be gone" off the site, now Dana is suddenly MIA...
This is totally shocking, really.
What has always been shocking is that 400-500 idiots show up in woodie's room just about every day and no one has figured out that it is no way to learn trading and there is no one who can honestly say woodie's cci works.
But yet they show up every day.
Shocking and a shame.
Thie truely is am amazing blog. Yeah some of it is BS here and there but what isn't!
I have never known so much about the assholes like Woodie and Bob or even the fraud Dennis The Menace, aka Sport in hiding.
Thank you to the owner of this blog whomever they are.
Speaking of Dennis, it seems that the has fallen off the wagon. Anybody hear about that yet? Something about his wife not letting him use her money to trade with so he went back to drinking.
Confirmation anyone? How sad he really is.
If anyone wants a good laugh, post a link in Woodie's room to this blog while TW is moderating. He always says a blog is nowhere to learn trading - LOL. He also follows the company line that he's never heard of Gio - at least that he's not allowed to talk about this person he's never heard of - LOL.
Geez, grown people being asked to lie for Woodie and complying in front of 500 people.
Now that's a shame.
Anyone being asked to lie, cheat or steal on the behalf of a room owner who claims to "share everything for free" seriously needs to think twice, and perhaps thrice.
mine your honour.
Looks like drbob doesnt like his "prized" room members to stray into other rooms?
ROTFLMAO!
Too funny!
Why am I the only one who ever posts a link to this blog in Woodie's room? If you want people to know the truth about what goes on there, you're gonna have to direct them here -and often.
You aren't afraid of Cathy, are you? lol
Nice! I like the new topic started on the main site. Two-faced-Snakes hit the nail on the head.
http://trading-room-feedback.blogspot.com/
Yes, especially when you're talking about drboob or woodie.
Woodies cci patterns are a scam. He has probably been instrumental in destroying more noobs than anyone else. One timeframe mantra is a crock of shit.
He is only doing this as an ego trip and the free holidays he gets doing seminars around the world.
And if anyone tries to encourage new concepts - like Gio tried to do then he tells them to fuck off.
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