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Thursday, July 14, 2005
Question: What would you like to tell each trading room moderator or that highly visable trader in the room?
Do you like they way they moderate/post? Why? Why not?
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109 comments:
Anonymous
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i enjoy woodies moderating. its helpful, he takes actual trades and doesnt ramble on. too many of the moderators take up so much 'bandwidth' i can hardly stand it.
The best poster/moderator in any chat room, is one who anticipates the signals before they occur along with targets. Tell me who does that and you have a winner. The present bunch are all a bunch of after the fact buffoons. If anyone knows this before the fact poster, post it here.
Room? Which room? I know of at least 5 forex rooms alone.
As for the live calls: Calling them within a pip or two is perfectly possible. Too many of them call the trade after favorable 20+ pips in their direction. Then if it goes against them, they call it exit at B/E level. They rarely present a loss and achieve guru status among naive and newbies.
Woodies is the best using his methods I turned a $10,000 account into $300,000 + in 3 months - getting close to a mil soon - that zlr sure works.. Anyway lots of time for blogging since I found my holy grail
what is with Woodies room lately. TW_WI and JeanYus are so difficult to listen to. they both comment on every damn single comment typed in the room. its like they cant shut up and just trade. these are Woodies best moderators that are going to the TAL? lol.
these two reflect very poorly on Woodies character and judgment and i find it embarrassing. i dont think he cant get quality people like in the past.
why would you have a moderator called "Genius" (JeanYus) anyway? get a clue. and all he does is rhyme words together since he actually a musician or want to be anyhow i guess. kinds silly if you ask me.
and for TW_WI, give it a rest. all he does is "woodie! I agree!..." ramble, ramble, ramble. Does he ever stop to even think no one cares if he agrees with woodie or not? And he's using the name dropping trick to make himself seem more important.
To be very honest, they both belong in the trading room maybe and only becuase they are free so you might as well give them somethign to do.
But surely NOT in the live main room where we are trying to trade. I'm going to consider quiting woodies rooms if this crap keeps up.
you can add Mplay to that list above as well. BANDTHWITDH master. never shuts up. all he does is play on the microphone.
woodie, honestly, what happened to quality of mods?
im beginning to wonder if he didnt take care of and give credit to those who helped change his room dramatically. what i see going on leads me to believe he thinks its all about him and that he may be using people "free" to make his name.
which will be very bad as at any time he can be getting kick back, write his books and say "well i did everything free, i deserve at least the book profits..."
i follow woodie very closley and beleive in him, but i am having my doubts.
i am a member of woodies room too. i think they do the best they can. you are right they probably should move those people to the student room. they are free adn so is the rooms so its a good enough match. i miss the quality help he used to have. :(
i will say woodies moderating is very good. he calls entries and exits and helps others during the day. he doesn't drone on like the others. i wish he would get others like himself instead.
19:18:56 {woodie} trader art we do this for free..stop your complaints on what we do..we don't need that attitude here
ok, someone was voicing a complaint, which by the way after looking over the transcript was nothing at all really if you can even call it a complaint at that, and woodie pounces on him (like he does most anybody if its something to do with him or gio only - he doesnt do this for others helping him becuase hes a lame, ego driven creep).
instead of talking with the person about the issue he thinks cause hes doing it for free (supposedly lol. lets see the kickbacks is all i got to say as an insider) that he can do anythign he wants.
thats exactly why im so glad this blog was created! he doesnt take feedback and he doesnt cherish the people who helped make a name for himself. we all know he didnt do it and that we did it for him by mistake maybe.
I love to listen to Jean Yus....his good mood is infectious!
TW we tease him and say he sounds like an airline pilot. He is so calm and patient.
Mplay gives out a tremendous amount of information. He is a character.
Dana is great at those tick replays and the ghost stuff. She has a lot of patience to run the student room with the same questions over and over. She is a saint.
The old gaurd of Rover, Soren, Biggs and Paul still keep on chugging out the winners and the losers.
I get a lot from all the moderators, but of course Woodie is my favorite. I always make money when he moderates, and isn't that why we are there....to make money?
You can get some good ideas from the trading rooms. But unless you see copies of actual brokerage statements, don't for 1 minute believe the results that are posted.
I'll say it again. The brokerage statement is the only truth in trading results. The rest can be fudged by paper trades, late calls and ambiguous double-talk.
woodie, please... get the mods out of the main room while they 'try to teach' anybody in the room anything that comes to their mind. like people are saying BANDWIDTH is being wasted while we are trying to trade.
they don’t post live trades, TW posts trades AFTER they move his way, and they all just answer line for line every text chat that is typed.
what is the worth of it? where is your main trading room gone? do you notice no one is trading there like they did?
PLEASE, FIX THIS!
send them to the student room if they want to ramble on. lets get true traders that focus on the market.
hey, i know, tell them to moderate like how you moderate. think about it. trading room -> focus on trading. trade. trade. trade. not blather, blather, blather.
and who cares if its free. we donate thousands of dollars to make a wish for you and you are responsible to answer to us just like a business does.
thank god for this blog so we can share our opinions without you JUMPING on us when we give feedback.
woodie just announced that Tony_UK would be flying into the Denver TAL since there are a lot of people attending.
how much is that gonna take from the terminally ill children? first class air-fare, lodging, meals, drinks and rental cars. thats several thousands of dollars. $2.5K minimum if not $4K just to fly a person that doesnt even moderate or trade in the room any longer?
you can't get a local helper to pass out kool-aid during the event. it would be cheaper and would give 3 more terminally ill children their wish. isnt that the right thing to do instead of using this as a slush fund account at your whim.
your rational for bringing Tony_UK over and paying for his trip expenses would not stand up against any accountanting review or the IRS.
woodie, dont go down this path. lets keep it right - for the childrens sake.
drbob ran a TAL and posted the full costs of the 2 day TAL. No one was flown in to run it and no one's expenses were paid. If you want to see what it cost's to put on one of these things go to the webpage he made and figure out the finances of Woodie's TAL yourself.
Woodie does not have to justify anything to anyone. Who are you? Why do you want "proof"? Isn't someone's word good enough?
I want proof that you trade anonymouse. Can I see your broker statements? And unless you make a profit, I don't think you are worth listening to! How do you like them apples?
honestly, woodies cci works well for me but the room has gone to hell. i hate to say it but the mods he has are just lame. what happened to all the great people that helped him create "woodies cci". honestly, he didnt do any of it. those people are the ones that created the "room" and the documents and the screens. he rarely says much. and types even less. right? you know thats right.
if it wasnt for nicktrader and the other traders like him and that guy that wrote the large cci document clearing up exaclty how to trade woodies cci and spreading the knowledge so fast woodie wouldnt be where he is today. they all helped so many people and he never really thanked them. i dont think he realized he would be nowhere without them. he seems to be using people left and right and he benifits from the huge kickbacks and doesnt even hook up the helpers from what i can tell. (except for the TM crap - all the mods are getting free trades and charts - woodie works for them. no doubt about it)
by the way, woodie is loosing ground fast too. turn over rate is huge. mods cant 'mod'. no one posts trades, not even the mods.
woodies room has had more trouble with mod's posting prices then without posting prices. read on, because this isn’t what you think.
the mods are constantly posting prices AFTER the fact, and only when the trade goes their way a bit. most mods, not all, do this.
it shows they are poor traders and possibly frauds front running the group. woodie doesn’t know these people. he doesn’t even get to know traders in the room. doesn’t track their calls. no investigation when people complain to him. its ridiculous how he thinks he can run a room and do nothing to manage it.
remember DAX? oh brother. every call posted was a winner by a few ticks right when he posted it. every single call. everyone of them. 100%. guess how that happened. people complained to woodie and he did nothing. he just wants the numbers of the room up because it makes him feel good. that’s all this is about. DAX was a fraud no doubt about it. funny thing is that woodie doesn’t even know about it past the fact that he was told about it.
more recently, TW_WI posts trades that also have already gone his way. same thing. they want to look good so they wait until they are in the green.
do i have to name them all? etc, etc.
what might be worse is that woodie is making a bundle saying "i do this for free, i trade for a living, i don’t sell things" well that’s a absolute lie. and i'm sure he will be investigated for fraud and more then likely convicted of it as well. he makes tons on his lecture with all the brand names he works with. he gets to travel for free all over the place, he gets FREE publicity now for his upcoming book (which i already know for a fact he is going to say "i deserve to keep at least this profit - its my life work, blah blah blah crapola). when in reality its all of the room people in the past that did all the work for him. he gets free trades, free charts as well. what else do you need? he's lying about all of this and we know it.
WAKE UP PEOPLE. PUT WOODIE AGAINST THE WALL AND CALL HIM OUT ON THE CARPET IN THE OPEN ROOM. HE IS NOT TRADING FOR A LIVING, HES MAKING A NAME FOR HINMSELF OFF OF ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
Sir i think you have hit the nail on the head as they say. In fact I remember back when Woodie was saying he is going to write a book as was asking for people to write chapters for him. If you don't know why that is then think about it. He can't write or develop anything for himself. Everything that has been done is becuase of the people that have helped him along the way. Woodie can't write and will be using people to create his book in which he will keep the profits. Some if not all of the profits for sure. And it was all done by the people in the room.
I think everyone is nice and tries to help so that is good. But Woodie is pulling one over on everyone trying to hide behind a 'free' room. When in fact, its the people in the room that are giving their time free for room help, trading, support, documents, etc. Woodie does very little actually. In fact, most (not all) of the trades/patterns were developed by others while talking with woodie over time and then he incorporated them.
Woodie is doing this for fame as your expense even though he says its for free.
woodie does try to help a bit but i think you are mostly right. he really doesn't praise or give much credit to the people that have helped him make it happen (except for susan - which thats just a love affair and nothing to do with trading).
without the traders doing all the work woodie would be nowhere. very true.
I like woodies room and dr bobs room too. I wish dr bobs room would have direction though. Dr bob needs to be in the room helping everyone learn his system. Otherwise its just another paypuke room. Woodie isnt there much at all but at least he shows up a bit and talks kinda.
what the hell is it lately with ADVERTISING in woodies room. good lord. it was bad enough with ESIGNAL crap. we let that one slide. all while woodie says, no advertising etc, etc. yeah, ok. right. esignal wasn’t advertising. wait, i forget, you ain't telling people you are getting free service for you, your close friends and also kickbacks from esignal. shhssssss.
but now we have PFGNEIL. why is this in caps? how much advertising do we have to put up with? all CAPS = PUSH IT IN YOU FACT ADVERTISING.
not to mention why does woodie allow this to happen? umm, kickbacks. that’s why. anybody want to question him in the room? or afraid he will boot you.
IF he was real about "free free free" and "they charge you money because they cant trade, etc" crap that he spouts off about then he wouldn’t be doing the same dam thing behind your back (which is really in front of your face) lol.
woodie has truly shown his colors and it doesn’t smell good. only newbies less then 6 months old don’t get it yet. they will. just like we did.
why wont woodie answer those questions? makes you think doesn’t it? why doesn’t he tell you he gets free trades, free charts, free computer parts and cash kickbacks from 'his' work (really the room traders work mostly).
how about JeanYus. selling his CD. pretend that he doesn’t notice when the room posts the wrong link to the site. which if you by it from that link he will not give the money to charity. you have to choose the correct link. funny how he doesn’t mention it when its posted. why do you think that is? you think he’s not on top of it? lol i doubt it.
threes nothing wrong with charging people money for actual work. that’s fair. but you must be fair in how you are dealing with free services. just because i say my room is free doesn’t mean that i don’t have to tell you all the things i'm getting in the background. the premise of the room is traders helping traders and free free free. but he’s getting cash, prizes for all of your hard work. think about it. its misleading and fraudulent.
people, its OUR room. NOT his. QUESTION him openly about these things for yoruself. watch his response. that will tell you all you need to know. you can do so under a different nickname if you are afraid of retaliation. change your nickname. post the question then log off. change your name back and come back later and look for response. they cant track any of it. and why should they?
just be sure to post a respectful question and leave it at that. woodie is a nice guy but not being honest is sort of like backstabbing and ends up being dishonest and manipulative in my book.
Woodie's room(s) have long suffered with inconsistent gestapo tactics. The paranoia runs rampant, whether it be fear of the Feds (to explain why the mods say nothing) or fear of going against Woodie (which explains why the mods are frauds who have 2 sets of charts - one for moderating and the real ones they trade off of).
Dr Bob's and Dharma's room suffers from consistent anarchy. It started off nicely with a bang off the momentum from being driven out of Woodieland, but there's been a lack of direction and inconsistent participation from its "leader" base. I think if they polled the room, the greater majority would be in favor of voice mods. That would go a long way in imposing some beneficial structure to the room. That would be the happy medium between both rooms: having a set structure of voice mods like Woodie has, but with the open freedom to truly say and trade honestly as the environment in Dr Bob's room fosters.
woodie has gone overboard now. did you guys see what just happened? a trader was asking woodie for help. woodie ignored the trader to instead harass a new member about why they are there if they aren’t using cci. then {sammy} pointed out to woodie that he should help the new trader and leave other traders alone regardless of cci or not. woodie said that {sammy} left the room. who knows but i sure know what happened next. woodie called it negative and erased the screen. now isn’t that funny. why would woodie do this?
no confidence in the transcript to prove woodie right? or was it that woodie realized he was made to look bad and the facts show it clearly?
i cant believe that he did that.
here is the transcript:
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{panda} woodie was in your room a year ago unfortunately doesnt work cci for me
{1dollar} woodie, is it ok to trade diff time frames from day to day
{woodie} ahh thought so why back?
{panda} just watching if you add something new to your method that could be usefull for me
{1dollar} one day w/trend, a 5 min, the next day a 1' w/no trend, I guess do you ever, ever trade time frames
{woodie} ok same ole patterns ..have worked for 14 years and still working...cci still rules
{panda} a year ago you dont have vegas trade
{woodie} vegas 2 years ago introduced
{woodie} dec at vegas TAL
{woodie} 2002
{panda} but you revealed it to other traders just only before ny expo 2005
{woodie} no ....i introduced it at vegas...see web site my presentation was recorded
{woodie} 2003 now i think about it ...not 2005
{panda} maybe time fliyesby
{woodie} buy the way it been doing well too...
{woodie} a great trend changing trade too
{1dollar}
{sammy} woodie, why are you slamming someone that is not asking for help. instead you have 1dollar asking for help and you are ignoring him. please help him and stop focusing on why someone came back to see whats going on. let people be free to trade as they want. cci or not. thanks.
{woodie} sammy you write something and leave..geeezzz
{woodie} i answered 1 $
{woodie} but your not here t know it...must been on the other side of my trades fri..forgot to thank him
{woodie} can't please them all....oh well
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then he went on to say that he should erase the negativity... and we all know what happened next.
poof. he cleared the screen.
can you beleive that. that poor guy has no confidence and way to big of an ego. he knows he was wrong and wont admit it.
why would you clear the screen over that? {sammy} didnt ask anything bad or wasn’t disrespectful. just voicing his concern that woodie was slamming one guy and not helping the one that needed it.
then woodie said its all free as if we are supposed to put up with anything he does. I DONT THINK SO. you answer to us and you will come to find that out. tick-tock-tick-tock. its not free. not with all the kickbacks you get and the name "we" are making for you on our own hard time.
woodie, that action was pathetic and i will be leaving your room as of now. what people are saying is apparently very true.
yep, here is yet another isntance where woodie allows stuff that makes him look good without beibng critical of how the data was obtained. BUT when something shows up to say the cci doesn't work he rants adn raves all over the person saying he is CCI GOD blah blah etc.
i know cci works great for me but being educated i also know how people collect stats and how they can be misunderstood without qualifications.
woodie did the same crap with gb007 stuff. gb doesnt track trades like that. he just puts together some notes at the end of the day and since they agree with positive results for cci woodie slobbers all over gb. its damn silly. its a joke actually.
anyone ever see gb actually post trades in the room? i think not.
{woodie} what a great spreadsheet Comoke..all can use this to help them...Comoke please post on forum under your name for such great work...thks
puke! give me a break. woodie looked at it for 2 minutes and replied with that. years of trades trying to represent cci sucess and woodie doesnt even question how the results were recorded?
its this kind of BIAS toward members and their postsing that make woodie look really bad and embarrass me. thats why i quit being a moderator.
Check out MarkB in Tradershaven. Kind of superioe sounding sometimes but he gives good information. Today a 4 point russel trade because of some fib levels. good to see, he showsd how to do it.
I thought I was done with blogging when the cheeseguy signed off. I was emailed this link today and it seems I haven't missed much. I quit woodie's room months ago as I realize no one will ever learn to trade purely by listening to an assortment of moderators in a room with hundreds of people. My best (unsolicited) advice is to find a trader of the caliber of someone like gio and BEG to have her/him teach you on an individual basis. I haven't missed woodie's room for a minute other than when gio moderates. There are many good traders out there. Everyone needs to find the one who fits their personality. I use gio as an example because she trades the way I do (only she does it much better - from what I have seen.)
I am very disappointed to see that it's business as usual with woodie. All of us should be outraged that woodie would allow tonyuk to spend the money that should be going to MAW. I don't care if Peregrine is picking up the tab or not. There's no reason that Peregrine couldn't be donating that share to MAW or their own charitable concern. If they are paying instead of the TAL participants, then it's time that you woodie room fans let it be known that tonyuk is not necessary for you to attend the TAL in Denver or anywhere else. I was told that tonyuk not only took his wife to TAL's (at the expense of MAW) but turned a 2 day TAL into an 8 eight day vacation with all expenses paid including bar tabs that would baffle NASA. What is the point of tonyuk helping at a TAL? Can’t woodie get some geek kid for 15 bucks an hour to do what tonyuk does, but only better?
Woodie says all over the place that he’s doing all this for free. Well there’s not a thing wrong with telling people how the money’s spent if it’s all for free. Some may say it’s none of our business what woodie makes or doesn’t make. That’s true if woodie wasn’t running around the world telling people what a great guy he is and that’s it’s all for the good of traders and the MAW kids. He’s put himself into the realm of a flim-flam man when he says he gets nothing in return - when he actually may be getting plenty in return.
How can we believe he’s the great trader that he says he is when none of you have ever actually seen him trade? I understand the loyalty of many of you to woodie. I felt that way too for a long time. I think I’ve grown up though. There is not a person among you who shouldn’t be questioning the character of a man who erases every little negativity posted in the room. We’re adults (supposedly), I think we can handle a few negative posts occasionally. What woodie is erasing is any perceived attack on his character. It’s not an open room, it’s woodie’s little world and some of you are just his subjects, doing his bidding at his whim. Sure, you think you’re helping other traders, and maybe you are, but until woodie tells the truth about TAL expenses and perks from commercial sources, I can’t believe anything - and neither should you.
that is the most illogical and quite frankly ignorant comment i've probably heard in my lifetime.
there are many positive comments about trading rooms on this blog as a matter of fact. you discount those? of course not.
'can't please them all' logic shows that you can't argue the facts presented. which by the way i don't know why you would anyways. its woodie, drbobs, et, etc rooms and not yours to defend. make your comment and leave. its got nothing to do with you kiss-ass.
quiet people are the happiest people. what country do you live in? communist Russia?
ever heard of the Better Business Bureau where a complaint isn’t 'quiet'?
ever been to a Voting Booth where placing a vote isn’t 'quiet'?
ever went to speak to the manager of a retail store about a complaint. that’s not being 'quiet'?
we have all done those things for purposes that make it better for all of us.
problem in these rooms are that woodie, (and i would include the mods but they are just helpless as all hell and blind so nothing really to do with this whole issue), doesn’t allow any comments that are critical. and we all know where that leads him. same goes with drbob and any other trading room for that matter.
woodie told me he reads this bog. i hope that he also takes the advice from it. i'm sure he will eventually.
bobcathy, quit acting like we should all be quiet and happy. we are happy but we also like to give feedback and don’t just put up with any BS anybody gives us. its not how things work in this world.
woodie, in your case, has to be held accountable for what he does and say. he’s pulling the wool right over your eyes and you know it, i can tell by your comments actually.
i for one like woodies trading and follow woodie myself. however, i also see what underhanded crap he is pulling business wise that is misleading everyone in his room including outsiders. adding to that he is 'using' anyone that he can to make a name for himself and gives no true credit to the ones that actually help him develop his trading system, name or help spread this info around.
they all come and then leave like whores in the night and never get paid so to speak, just fucked. Woodie only has no more then 3 people close to him and actually they have nothing to do with the mechanics of trading. And they are not that close actually either. But they are the closest. The ONLY one that contradicts this is GB. But woodie uses him to try to help show “hey see cci really does work’ by citing GB’s absolutely ridiculous studies. GB doesn’t track that stuff in a manner that he should. i’ve talked to him numerous times and he just logs what he remembers for that day in his mind. Then he calls it 82% win ratio then tells woodie about it then woodie gets all excited and praises GB and the cci. Look, honestly, GB cant trade. You ever see him post trades, call trades, trade at all? He’s old, not good at trading. He cant even see that damn screen because he’s close to blind. Yet woodie uses him as a tool. Praise GB and then GB puts out a fake study about how woodies cci works so well. Well I know woodies cci works for me. but I also know GB doesn’t track things as people think he does. its just a symbiotic relationship. Woodie gets to act like “there has been a study done!” kind of thing and GB gets a name for himself. It’s a transparent act to most of us.
No other serious traders are close to woodie. Woodie only has people that are dying, getting old or susan and we all know why susan is sticking around. They are all nice people. Like them all, I do. But when we are talking woodie scamming, telling mistruths, half-baked stories and boasting its just got to stop. He’s screwing himself and time with tell. You can already see what’s happening…
i think he was commenting on the lies being presented to the people of the room, etc. it seems like he likes woodie and his cci but not how woodie is 'pulling the wool' over people eyes as quoted by that poster. some like me are disconnected from what really goes on behind the scenes. sounds like that person knows quite a bit. however, we both enjoy wooodies cci.
it does seem to me you are not presenting much of a argument or a weak argument if any bobcathy1. asking people to just 'let it go' and 'follow the force' isnt really the way things are done when excellence, fairness and friendship is expected. at least thats the way i see myself.
i find this bog usefull adn would like to hear from many others. i too see that woodie doesnt allow feedback and am very happy that this blog was started.
Please, Cathy. You've unsuccessfully hung around gurus for more than 5 minutes. There's an investment in time, money and effort that's difficult to just drop at a hat when it starts to creep in that the "system" isn't working or the guru might be nuts. Stop lecturing. You don't trade Woodie's way but you still hang around for the perk of feeling important and part of Woodie's inner circle. You have the 50 CCI on your charts, but you hide them when moderating. What a phony baloney. You're the picture definition of a hanger on, and you go lecturing people for hanging in there. You are also big on telling people to let things go, but when have you ever let anything go? You are fixated on rebutting and keeping arguments alive.
costs involved? are you kidding. everything is coming woodies and drbobs way free. just like his room is supposedly. when in fact he is using people like yoruself adn many others in teh past to make a name for himself and not giving credit to who really created the system, the methods and helped develop the room into what it is. at least that what im getting from the posts.
i think you comments need some expounding on a bit. please reply.
Cathy, just let it go. I'm from the planet where Woodie discards helpful people like used toilet paper, and when they dare to be sore about it, they're told to let it go.
hey great blog site! about time we can voice our opinions without getting booted.
bobcathy1, what do you mean "I just get upset when people think it is ok to criticize without rebuttle." ?
thats exaclty the problem woodie, drbob and so many other site have. but woodie is terrible at it. you cant ask or say anything to him. if it smeels bad then you are ridiculed, castrated or banned. you know its true. and THAT is the problem with woodie.
its just like clinton. he never lsitend to his true closest friends and he is sinking himself. see the turnover rate in woodies room. my god he should have over 1500 people in there by now. hes at 400. we helped him build that up to 800 and now he screwed up.
not to mention he cant keep good mods around. look at the curent ones. mostly 'terrible' mods imo. there not 'bad terrible' but not really good to be frank.
I agree with anon 11:14 post. Also want to add something. I see Gio uses CCI but does it a lot her way - she uses multiply timeframes, different charts than Woodie's, and no sidewinder. She doesn't use a lot of Woodie crap - sidewinder, plateau trade, etc. It's too bad she hasn't moderated the main room since May, although she does most Monday nights. I like her style.
Moderators, as well, come and go. You seem like a nice person, misguided, but nice. Do yourself a favor... ask woodie the following questions:
Why doesn't he trade live at one of the TAL's? I will bet u he will respond that it is against the law. Ask him what law? He will say that the lawyers have told him not to. What lawyers? Ask him why he can't lock the door to the room where the TAL is held and allow no one to access their account by way of phone or internet (hence no way he could be accused of giving trading advice). Why doesn't he prove he can trade with no possibilty of retribution of violating any SEC laws by doing this in private with TAL attendees? Every attendee can sign a statement they are watching a trading demonstration - this will eliminate the problems woodie says will happen with the SEC. Will he do this? No way. But go ahead and ask. I guarantee if I posted this in woodie's room it would be erased in seconds.
After that conversation with woodie, ask him about the moderators who are no longer around. They were valued memebers of the "team." Where are they now? If they were good enough to teach wcci, why do we not hear about them anymore? Where n any of wodie's articles does he mention any of them by name? Where are they given the recognition that they are the ones who make woodie's room work? An occasional thank you from woodie is not enough. Woodie is travelling the world on the backs of what the moderators do for him, and paying for suites with money that ought to be going to MAW. WTF is that all about? Woodie may be a nice guy in his own mind and in yours too but why must he say this all for free when he won't admit what the deal is?
Ask about TAL funds. Ask why the expenses can't be posted. Ask who would be embarassed by the accounting.
Ask me why it's any of my business. Because woodie makes it all of our business. He asks us to come to the TALs for our sake and for the sake of the kids. Now i'm not concerned about my trading - i am concerned about the kids. Woodie told us we were helping the kids. I want to know to what extent. Every charitable organization has to account for it's spending. Where is the accounting? Woodie will say he's not a charitable organization. Ask why he has to hide behind the one organization that will pull at he heartstrings of us all?
Cathy, ask why, ask why, and keep asking why. Then ask why some more. Ask why in the main room and see how fast you will disappear. I'll ask you why it would be so terrible of you to ask these things in the main room. This is not private information. This is information all of us who have listened to woodie and paid money to him should be entitled to.
Ask woodie why Tony has to fly in from England. He doesn't moderate anymore, he doesn't contribute anymore. Check out who owns the "woodie" website. Maybe that will give you a clue. Just make sure someone doesn't trip over the plug. Keep him happy at whatever cost. And at any cost do whatever it takes to make sure woodie looks good.
Drbob ran a TAL and posted exactly what it cost to run his and gave back any funds over cost to the people who went.
It cost around $200 per person with a sit down dinner and full lunch and constant free beverage and snack service. This is with no one's expenses being reimbursed. No Tony UK flying in from overseas or moderators getting their expenses paid.
So after the next woodie TAL, just do some simple calculations based on $200 and the number of people who attended and you will know what the overage was. Then ask for an accounting of the balance.
Having been to a woodie TAL, we got a box lunch, no breakfast and a buffet dinner. There also werent any unlimited refreshments throughout. I figure that is worth about $25 per person off the $200 that drbob spent.
"I am very sad to see most people are posting here anonymously. I would like to know who you are and actually speak to you in the room. Are you so afraid of retaliation?"
Why would anyone be afraid of retaliation? If you speak out against Woodie, all you need fear is death threat emails against your family and your house being torched.
cathy it seems you are truly full of shit. anon at 12:32 asked some legitimate, provocative questions which i'd bet he or she already knows the answers to and you choose to keep your head up your ass. you stick your nose all over the place in defense of woodie and when someone asks you some tough questions it suddenly becomes none of your business?
one more thing, how bout posting a link to this site in woodie's room? let's see you do that. when you fall from woodie's graces you are gonna fall hard. of course it may take you a little longer than most. where i'm from we might call y'all a bit dim.
cathy .. i know you're reading this. the questions asked earlier seem fair and did not come across as maliscious. why not talk to woodie about them? do you still believe in santa claus, the easter bunny, and the tooth fairy too? grow up and remember life is a constant search for the truth.
I thought this would have comments of different rooms. Instead it's almost entirely about Woodie's room. No doubt someone there told the rest of the room and you all decided to complain here. Kinda pointless since you could have kept it all in-house. So my gripe is for this blog - It should be renamed "Woodie's Room Feedback". I don't think the person who started this blog intended it to go this way. Too bad.
what room do you want us to post on? i've posted comments on both woodies cci and dr bobs room.
given the dr. bobs room sucks ass, has no direction and is a 5 person clique with no activites what more is there to talk about?
woodies room posting is quite interesting actaully. where else can you find this kind of information?
i have seen posts on specific moderators even and most of it was correct imo.
what i would like to see is more people posting their positive comments too. i've posted some. but most of that i am allowed to post in the room and i do.
THATS why this blog is so great adn i'm glad it was started. if you try to give the owners feedback you get booted. they are assholes for doing it and they are not professional in any sense of the word. not allowing feedback is actaully their downfall in the long run.
Click link below to share your opinions with Woodie and the other trading rooms and moderators. This helps to make our room better!
http://trading-room-feedback.blogspot.com/
I agree with previous post. Given how many people are in Woodies room and the exposure he gets outside of it as well I think the posting is right on par.
Did anyone here Woodie tell us that he is going to make a Esignal commercial that will be ran on CNN and CNBC?
Now people, please think about this....
Think about what that means...
Commercial endorsing esignal. He's going to get paid. His name will be larger then before he keeps saying he can do what he wants because its all free...
Like many haven’t realized it’s not free. Everyone has given him the opportunity to have this happen for him. He didn’t do it for himself. We did it for him and that’s fine. What I do is because I want to do it.
However, he was never appreciative for what we have done for him. He makes deals behind our back that benefit him only and he honestly thinks it is all because of himself.
Think about this closely for 1 minute.
He doesn’t talk on the mic much at all, never did. Everyone else does for him. He doesn’t teach after market training like everyone else does. He hasn’t even written any documents whatsoever. Not even a single blip about how to trade his system. He did write some article for the magazines but we all had to help him write that because he cant write, which is perfectly fine. But it all comes back to benefit him. Do you wonder why the only mini-document he ever wrote (which was very trivial and non-informative to say the least) was for an external publication and NOT HIS OWN DAMN SITE OR PEOPLE THAT TRADE WITH HIM?
Everyone has created charts, developed new methods, patterns, techniques for his system. HE used very little of everything we use right now. But he gives no one credit and acts like its all about him. I truly feel duped and stupid for us having helped him at all. I question whether I was really tricked into it. It is funny how he never appreciated all the hard work we have done.
I have not come to the conclusion yet that he is a manipulator. I am not sure. I can say that he thinks all this is because of him and does not praise, give credit to or return the favor to anyone that has helped him.
That shows bad character I don’t care what he says about giving to a charity. That's probably just a ploy. You think he's not getting paid for Esignal commercial or PFG kickbacks? Why do you think he left Sierra charts which will do perfectly fine for trading Woodies CCI. Sierra can't afford to pay him anything. So he went to Esignal where he will get paid and get more recognition.
Too many good hearted, kind and very hardworking people have been burned and left with no true respect from Woodie for what they have done. Without them the room would be nothing like it was. Recently because people are become wise to this situation they now can't find moderators to help them, can't find people to train others in the room, can't find long term traders to post their trades, help aftermarket and develop new techniques or patterns.
No one wants to help Woodie any longer and he is struggling to try to do things on his own.
Woodie does not appreciate the fact that it is us traders and helpers that have made a name for him and he will learn this sooner or later.
Take time to come back and read this later tomorrow once again and you will understand more each time you read it.
Without our help Woodie will fade away, struggle to trade his system and resort to having to sell a book (which by the way remember that he said he had a GREAT plan to have each of use write a chapter – do you wonder why he came up with that idea?) to make money and finally jump into the ‘paid’ room market. You wait and see if what I’m saying isn’t true. He will use the excuse that people have to pay for something sooner or later and that’s why you will have to pay for the book and even pay for the room maybe and pay for other things etc. Do you see that he says you shouldn’t have to pay for sites, rooms or books if they were any good they would trade for themselves? Pretty slick plan. Not honest at all however. Then why is he going to make money off the book? Of the commercials? Off the articles? Honestly why not make money off the room? I’m not against that at all actually. What I’m against is him saying the room is for free but he gets kickbacks form Hotcomm, Esignal, PFG etc.
I trade Woodies CCI and it works for me. I like Woodie for the most part and he does like me a great deal as well. However, I am beginning to see how he is controlling things, planning things and making it all work out for him in a possibly dishonest way and it is not sitting well with many people, which is growing larger by the day as you can see the trouble he is having in his trading room. He is desperate. It’s evident.
Thanks for your time and tell your friends that just as we helped so very hard and worked so many long hours to help Woodie make a name for himself develop his system so that he can spread it around the world and that we can also turn that around to go the other way as well if we so choose because it was us that created what you see, not Woodie. He was just one single player just like any one of us.
Woodie needs your feedback to help make our room better:
Well and knowing what is going on with the woodster and other GROUPS, FORUMS, TRADE ALONGS, MEETINGS or whatever you want to call them should make people think. Yeah that's right think! very rarely in life is something not said for a reason and you have to wonder. What happened to all those ex-amway sales people I mean really when people say that they are helping people and they are doing it all for FREE you really have to wonder that if they are getting sponsors etc then here come the kickbacks or free software or whatever and then they are truely not doing it for FREE because indeed the services they are using and are being given from various venders cost real cash to purchase lease etc. Further more "People who can do ,those who can't TEACH" I have never seen it any different and it doesn't matter if it's sales seminars or whatever. Very rarely do people truely do things for FREE. After all there is no such thing as a free lunch, and if your served enough pretzels eventually you'll need water to drink and you know they'll be waiting at the door making you buy it!!
Rover....I really wish you would take that silly MACD off your charts! Tired of hearing the newbies ask what it is! I enjoy your moderating though and make money when you are on.
Gio...come back soon, we miss you on Weds morning. I get a lot out of your commentary. I saw that 50cci though.....hmmm.
Woodie....you are the best moderator. You keep it plain and it works! You are the man!
Dana....I enjoy the tick replay and your approach....but there are just too many trend lines on your charts. Have to clean those charts up as you go honey.
TW...you need to slow down, what are you putting in your Wheaties? Talk to Clint, he is so calm when he moderates. Even though he has cows in the living room.
Soren...just keep doing what you do. Like you calm voice. And Biggs, you are such a gentleman and stick to business when you moderate. Good!
Paul....I know you trade a LOT...but you flip the charts so much, I am totally lost and a little naseous.
JeanYus and Mplay...you two need to take your show on the road! You are truly the comedy central of WCCI.
Cathy....where did you get to girl? Leave on a cruise on your boat?
anybody know why 'Angela' in drbobs room is such a bitch? sorry but i don't know what other words to put it in and i think we are all adults here lol. why does she jump on everyone one moment and at others 'tries' to help others
i say 'tries' because she is less then close to qualified to help anyone - she can't trade at all and struggles with new methods when she actaully tries to trade but that begs another question as to why she is even a moderator in drbobs room. but who knows, drbob just picks a few people that do what he says and nothing else. kinda pathetic but doesn't matter to me since his room doesn't have a focus, strategy, etc.
from what i can tell she likes to use high intellect words that are mostly incorrect, is looking for other work becuase she can't trade and she just likes to talk talk talk. it's almost as bad as gio except gio tries to trade.
i am failing at trading and have worked hard to help everyone but no one helps me or respects me as the best. i am leaving you all, good luck to you in the markets. i struggled long enough and can't do it any longer. i will pass my code onto someone that wants it but it isn't written very well so be prepared. i am not a programmer by any stretch of the imagination and have failed at trading as well.
I thought I would take this opportunity to respond to some of the comments/questions regarding the TH room. Most of you know our history in WCCI so there is no need to go into details here.Most of you also know that during our time in WCCI we had a side chat where we traded with a handful of friends we met thru Woodies.Once it became clear that the 50 cci was not welcome in the room any longer, I suggested to Bob that we open our own room so that we could continue to trade with our friends and anyone else who wanted to join in,regardless of the method they traded.It was never our intention to try and compete with WCCI nor did we wish to emulate WCCI in any way.In fact we were all a bit surprised as to the number of people that have joined us. In the beginning the question as to wether or not we'd have moderators was asked. I put it out into the room and the responce was luke warm. Most said they enjoyed the quiet and prefered not to have formal moderators. we did however welcome anyone that wanted to ..to take the mic. We have and still do continue to try to offer help to anyone who wants to learn more about the set ups, all they have to do is ask.I am willing to skype during market hours, answer PM's or whatever anyone needs to move forward.I am not saying that the 50 cci is the answer to anyones prayers...all I know is it works for me, and I am happy to share whatever I know. Someone posted that the room suffered from consistant anarchy....that might very well be true. I guess it goes back to the fact that we never intended to open a teaching room, and kind of just let people post freely. We tried not to create too many rules..in fact the only one we really were steadfast on was the no bashing policy,which most people have had no trouble abiding by.I suppose we could tighten up a bit and regulate the postings more...it is very tuff to find that balance. Anon 7:11 regarding your post...I am sorry that you find Anglea isn't your cup of tea. I guess the chatroom world is the same as real life...you can't have everyone like you. However...since you asked why she was a Mod in or room I will tell you. Angela is an intelligent insightful giving person. She does her best to help anyone who asks and gives of herself freely.Since I have known her, she has come a long way as a trader...she has worked hard and continues to do so. Perhaps she is still experimenting to find what style suits her best....but I think to some degree most of us are trying to find our way in this business. Angela isnt a mod in TH b/c Bob see her as a yes person that does what he says...she is a a valued and respected friend and we are lucky to have her as part of our group. In fact out of the 4 Moderators in the group no 2 trade alike...we all trade different methods. We all learn from eachother....and that is the point of a free and open forum....no one way of trading is best...it is not one size fits all. Hopefully thru all of the different sytles of trading we can find certain things that speak to us...and we can in turn create our own methods to better trade consistanly. If you are in our room and you have a suggestion on how you think the room would be better run...post it.Just rember...its all about ideas...not people. I wish you all nothing but success in your trading. Regards, Dharma
thanks for letting us know about what i'm not sure but it sounds like you had a point somewhere in there.
the room wont last long, its dying as we speak and just having a 50 cci and think that is good enough to create a separate room is kinds silly. maybe i will open a 45 cci room and beat your entries lol. so needless to say its a bad concept.
btw, your lame excuse of why you all were booted is just that. lame. you were sneaking behind woodies back and lied to him. be a man (even though you are just a woman) and say it like it is. tell people straight in life what you think. dont be liars. and dont be cry-babies.
here is free advice: get focused, make a plan and go fourth to create a room. dr bob himself is just a whinner and can't trade very well himself. he will learn if he keeps it up. you all will.
Hi Royb. Just went back and read my post ..your right it was long lol. Ok here it is since I wasn't clear the first time. First we didn't get "booted" out of WCCI. Hmmm and as for going behind his back and telling lies...I am confused. Lets see W knew we had a side room. He invited Bob to speak at His TAL in Anahiem. We had talked to W the year before in NJ and showed him what we were doing...but ok if you say we lied then I guess you know..so cool. OK heres goes...we never made any promises to anyone when the room was first opened. The intention was to just continue trading with the orignial group we always traded with..and anyone who wanted to join us was welcome regardless of method traded...B/C its not a cci room. The Mods all trade diff methods B/C its not a CCI room.he posts arent strictly monitored b/c why? You guessed it...its an open forum to trade what ever method you want. The room was not opened to be a teaching room per sey. You say the room is dying as we speak...well I guess that depends on how you look at it.none of us want to make a Free Chat room a full time job. Our intention was to have a place where we could trade the way we want and enjoy eachothers company. We don't really care about numbers in the room...I don't mean to be rude royb but it makes no difference to us wether your there or not..we will go on trading the way we always do.You said to get a plan and stick with it..thats great advice. The plan is this...now lets see if I can be clear..far be it for anyone to accuse me of not speaking my mind. We will continue to trade the methods we choose with the people we want to trade with. We will continue to answer questions from anyone who wants to ask, we will help anyone who wants to seek help.We will continue to abide by our no bashing policy. If for any reason there is anyone who dosen't like the room for whatever reason.....they are free to exit and find another room. There are dozens of room out there I am sure you can find one you at least like a little bit.There will be no hard feelings. For those that enjoy the room and have suggestions on how to make it a more positive place you can post your suggestons in the room...we don't react badly to that sort of thing there. And if I wasnt clear the first time if you dont like the room you may EXIT...I will even hand over a few suggestions on other rooms if you tell me what your looking for. As for your comment about Bob well whatever I guess you know firsthand about him as well.Funny all the times I have traded with him he must have been fooling me somehow. But thank you for enlightening me.Oh and I guess you must have missed my comment in my long winded previous post....Comments are welcome BUT lets remeber its about ideas not people. So Royb(why does that nick not look familliar) I mean I am sure your posting under your room nick right? In closing I really do wish you and everyone reading this nothing but success with your trading. Trade well all Dharma
how did i know that was coming lol. what a cheap ass sucker you are. posting your room link, talking about your next seminar.
let me tell others about your new room. first off, its obvious there is no direction in your room. second, all you do is use cci a bit and many other things which you dont explain, wont help others with, etc. but mostly, there is NO training, dont lie. there is no one helping others in that room. its a small clique of 5 people and stragglers. nothing more, nothing less.
most are nice people but none are actual hard core traders in thta rooom. mostly a collection of misfits.
markb, be a man instead tonight and remove your post and repost it without you room link if you didnt mean to try to sell something.
comments are welcome. oh, ok i see. so when drbob attacked some poor new person for asking him how much he paid for the room and how it works then thats not really the same thing is it?
he never relented, that asshole even posted private messages to him from that person telling him they were just trying to find out some info and that it would be appreciated if he wouldnt attack so violently.
turns out that person went and asked hotcom-ed to get the info and that was that. i dont see that person around anymore so i guess drbob is really doing well with treating people like that.
and NONE of you pussy little wimps stood up for it. why? cuz you are scared drbob will kick you out. hes a punk, he's scared and he's learning his lesson.
i hate spinless crotches like you idiots. you can stick to your group and go to hell for not protecting this new person from an attack like that. but you can never be seens as goood people becuase of that. in fact many of us left your room right after that.
drbob has no morals, etchis or respect when he thinks he is right. and thats when you can see the true sign of a solid person. anybody can act nice when not under so much stress as he has been lately.
i stand up for people no matter how much it hurts me. how about you guys? i didnt think so.
When I fist saw this thread I thought that maybe it would be something constructive.... and then I made the mistake of posting. Anon 2:19 I have no idea wha you are talking about when you say bob attacked someone in the room for asking how much the room cost? First I dont see why someone would be asking that question...all the informaton for obtaining a room including cost is listed on the HC site for all to see. So I am not sure I understand the relavance to the question the newbie posted...I will certainly go back in the room logs to see just how horribly vicious dr bob was tho and I am also sure I will see you post defending this poor soul since as you yourself said you always stand up for people no matter how much it hurts.. Also I am not sure what lesson it is that Bob is learning as I said before the numbers in the room dont matter. Thats not the point of the room...why do I feel like I am repeating myself.Its so simple if you dont like the room go away..I assure you we will get over it. Oh and what does calling me names accomplish? Do you realy think an anon post will offend me? LOL. Or was there another point to the name calling? You havent offended me in the least...you have however made me pitty you...I pitty that grade shcool name calling is the only way you see fit to express your feelings...and for that I am truly sorry. I am sure that your name calling posting would make your wife...sister...mother ...daughter very proud of the man you are. Go ahead show them your post see what they think. Anyway this will be the last time I say this..please if you dont like TH its Mods and all the rest in there leave honestly we don't care...we don't gain or loose anything by your presence. trade well D
man, if you act like that here i cant imagine how you treat others in the room. if what the other poster said about the new person and what you just got done saying then i sure wont visit your website at all.
oh my god, that previous post was for markb, but now you can add that post to be for dharma too.
i can't believe what manners these people are lacking. and you are a woman? holy cow is all i can say.
what kind of dictating room would allow mods like you guys to be in? i certainly won't be visiting your room wherever it is located.
if i understand this right there are 5 main people. drbob, mrakb and dharma as mods. so i've just witnessed posts about and from 3 of them. this is what they have to offer?
"i dont care if you are a part of our room..."
"violent atacks on a new member..."
"suck my ass..."
etc...
people, focus on your trading and let us be alone. find some humanity and leave people be.
dharma, what kind of mod would search the logs to try to attack another member. you are incredible bitch too. you and drbob make a complete set of twins. retalitory, non-functional, angry human beings.
when i read the post about the new person asking how much the rooom costs i though to myself, yeah how much does a room cost. can we start our own, etc. just normal questions. but seems that you want to hide that too. explain it away as "what right does a new person have to ask those questions... blah blah blah.
i'm glad woodie booted you skankie filth people from his room. i never knew how vile you all could be. show some compassion and quit attacking people.
Woodie and drbob have a lot in common. Both have their mods do their dirty work. At least bobcathy doesn't take up much space to say nothing worthwhile. You guys called her dumb but she ain't a bitch like the two/three mods from tradershaven. That piss poor attitude told us just what to expect in that HAVEN!!
What a lameass attack on TH, angela, dharma, etc by ONE very angry woodite cultist. How are you compensated for your sad, bitter brownshirt tactics? I mean aside from free charts, data, TM, HC and plane tickets and hotel accomodations on the neverending corporate sponsored WCCI tour of the world.
I can't take one word on this site as the truth. Who knows who is really posting? Are these the people we think they are, or just some trolls? God only knows!
It is $699 a year to have your own room. All you need is ONE PresenterPro lisence on HotComm and for the rest of the people in your room to be signed up for at least HotComm Lite.
Why you keep asking people what they pay is beyond me. It is right there on www.hotcomm.com !!!!
No wonder they get annoyed with you doo doo birds!
The only person I know does not pay is Woodie with all his rooms. With 700 paying customers, I can see why they gave it to him for "free".
"Why you keep asking people what they pay is beyond me. It is right there on www.hotcomm.com !!!!"
Did you forget about the presentation room fee based on the number in your room? A 200 room max is $500 per month. A 300 room is $700 per month. drbob has had over 200 in his room. Is he paying $700 per month for that, in addition to the $699/yr software fee?
Please show the URL on HotComm that says you can have a 300 limit presentation room for only $699 - that is, the room fee based on the number in the room is waved. I can't find that statement on the HC site.
When Sport had his room, he had to pay HC additional monthly fees as the number of attendees (all which had at least HC Lite) increased. If drbob is only paying for the software, and not the room fee, then it appears HC owes Sport a large refund.
Just follow the money sheeple on the hotcomm rooms ! Who do you think makes the money. If it was truly free, one would use a free chat room. Based on the postings in Drbob's room, a totally free mirc room is wholly adequate, including logs.
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There is your URL. Good God you idiots are lazy. LOL
Dynamic Desktop is a Product, and is available "free" with other HC presenter clients.
But this says NOTHING about the room fees based on the number in the room. Suggest you check the fee schedule as well, and you will see that HC normally charges additional room fees, starting with $100/month for a 25 user Presentation room. See:
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So again, where does HC say the FEES are waved? Free extra software for the owner is not the same as the room fee. Any why did Sport have to PAY for his chatroom based on the # of attendees?
Oh my is HotComm expensive. Why aren't you asking HotComm how much they would charge you for a room? Seems their fees are a little complicated and really out of line for all except corporate clients.
My little 4 person chat room hardly needs something like that! mIRC and Skype and we have all we need for free. LOL
Call hotcomm (toll free), and ask them, how much per month for room for about 250 people, and you will get an answer. Better yet, do it via email, so it is in writing. That is the only way you know, what it costs !
TW, you arn't "really" a true moderator as it goes. honestly, you probably should be in the students room becuase its free too with dana. your skills, information and abilities aren't exactly what woodie is wanting. its just that he doens't have anybody good at the moment.
hang in there and someday you will also be a good trader and can then help people.
TW, if this is the tw_wi from woodies room then i think you don't realize he was trying to be nice to you. from what i can tell you do not trade very well and mostly just talk about anything and everything just beucase you see something posted. its like you wanna be a star and say everything you can. the "we" do this here and "we" do that here like as if you have been and are number one in the room makes lots of us laugh.
look, we have been here a very long time and have seen real moderators/traders and 'others'. try to take it as constructive crit and move on.
as far as a 'trade-off' do you realize that first we already know how you 'trade' and second you are acting out of childish spirit and thus making you look worse. don't be silly. just take the comments and reflect.
I believe TW was one of only 2 people to ever take the mic for most of the trading day in drbob's room (Rover was the other). Cathy was also hanging out a lot and I thought she was hankering to grab some voice time too. Some folks just love to talk. :)
Anyway that was an entertaining one day only event, TW. You were taking some veiled shots at Woodie and his paranoia and gestapo tactics, so that was funny. I guess Woodie put his boot down and all you guys had to decide where your true loyalties lie. Of course, you went with the free data, charts and frontend. That's fine. Good luck to you. Hope you're making strides in your trading (secretly, since you have to get rid of the 50 CCI when moderating for Woodie).
Cathy FL if you are going to post as anonymous, you shouldnt use the same language you used in the posts that you deleted. "full of false signals", "makes me money", etc. You just can't stay away can you? Blogging is like a bad drug. It becomes addictive, Maybe you should just go check the dock lines rather than reading the blogs.
I don't think this blog has done anything good for Traders Haven HotComm room. Still the same old crappy attitude. Only the TradersHaven site is worth going to IMHO.
tww, you are the GREATEST trader I have ever seen. I love the way you pick your euro longs at the top of consolidations and how you short the euro at the bottoms without even having a real CCI signal. Furthermore I find it extremely entertaining that, after you stop yourself out after a couple of seconds, you say to yourself: "well.hmm.Ok. That was still a good trade though, right? I followed my rules and got out with a couple of ticks loss. You cant win everytime you know."
I also love the way you always so perfectly KNOW where ALL the price traders in the world gets in and gets out. And they ALL get in at the wrong time, right?
Finally TWW: Maybe you should try to learn the CCI setups first before you moderate anymore? You know: that could really help your trading...
I first joined WCCI as I felt what Woodie was doing for traders and the kids was extraordinary. I'd never seen anything like it and was impressed with him and the numerous experienced traders in the room helping people. I'm now a former WCCI room member, because the attitude of the room changed drastically last year when many good moderators were run off for one reason or another, in my eyes, simply because they were trying to help others and building upon Woodie's methods. Everyone got quiet for fear of saying something wrong & getting booted. The former mods I speak of didn't try to replace his method, just tweaking it a bit and sharing their ideas. Dr. Bob & Verus were the two best moderators of all, as Woodie first supported the cci50 plays, then completely rejected it once it was found to do quite well and traders started talking about it more than the "classic" signals. That's Woodie's right since it is his channel, but make a decision instead of flip-flopping on whether to support it or not. I recall a shiester named Dax that came up w/ the plateau, notch & other trade patterns that were also heavily supported & talked about, and probably would still be talked about, until it was found out he was a crook, but they were supported even though they weren't "classic" signals. This two-faced environment simply wore me out. I was left listening to Gio & other "mods" drone on day by day about nothing, while posting only winners after the fact. I've never seen gio post a losing trade in 1.5 years nor a winning trade when entered, whereas Rover, Biggs, and formerly Ricky before gio pissed him off about his bold typing letters in the channel because it distracted her, tell you exactly what they see and what they're doing. If you're going to moderate, even for free, at least attempt to be realistic and up front with what you're doing, instead of posting an 8 point winner hours later (that helps nobody), during which you probably sat through enormous drawdown you didn't want anybody to know about. This game we call trading is difficult enough as it is without having to sift through the smoke and mirrors. I wish you all good trading.
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i enjoy woodies moderating. its helpful, he takes actual trades and doesnt ramble on. too many of the moderators take up so much 'bandwidth' i can hardly stand it.
The best poster/moderator in any chat room, is one who anticipates the signals before they occur along with targets. Tell me who does that and you have a winner. The present bunch are all a bunch of after the fact buffoons. If anyone knows this before the fact poster, post it here.
Room? Which room? I know of at least 5 forex rooms alone.
As for the live calls: Calling them within a pip or two is perfectly possible. Too many of them call the trade after favorable 20+ pips in their direction. Then if it goes against them, they call it exit at B/E level. They rarely present a loss and achieve guru status among naive and newbies.
Woodies is the best using his methods I turned a $10,000 account into $300,000 + in 3 months - getting close to a mil soon - that zlr sure works.. Anyway lots of time for blogging since I found my holy grail
ok dont be silly. we know better and dont care about your "hope" account numbers lol. if you aint posting in the room live then we all know better.
Well... I turned my $2,150 account into a $1 Million dollar account in just one month in woodies room.
Of course I was only trading 1000 contracts/trade on the simulator, but I figure I can do just as well when I go live...
what is with Woodies room lately. TW_WI and JeanYus are so difficult to listen to. they both comment on every damn single comment typed in the room. its like they cant shut up and just trade. these are Woodies best moderators that are going to the TAL? lol.
these two reflect very poorly on Woodies character and judgment and i find it embarrassing. i dont think he cant get quality people like in the past.
why would you have a moderator called "Genius" (JeanYus) anyway? get a clue. and all he does is rhyme words together since he actually a musician or want to be anyhow i guess. kinds silly if you ask me.
and for TW_WI, give it a rest. all he does is "woodie! I agree!..." ramble, ramble, ramble. Does he ever stop to even think no one cares if he agrees with woodie or not? And he's using the name dropping trick to make himself seem more important.
To be very honest, they both belong in the trading room maybe and only becuase they are free so you might as well give them somethign to do.
But surely NOT in the live main room where we are trying to trade. I'm going to consider quiting woodies rooms if this crap keeps up.
let just say this:
downhill...
looks like woodie does read this blog. its working. very nice.
woodie got frustrated with TW_WI rambling on just now and frantically posted the folling:
14:45:04 {woodie} lease focus on trading
14:45:09 {woodie} please
he could hardly type so mad at TW_WI lol
you can add Mplay to that list above as well. BANDTHWITDH master. never shuts up. all he does is play on the microphone.
woodie, honestly, what happened to quality of mods?
im beginning to wonder if he didnt take care of and give credit to those who helped change his room dramatically. what i see going on leads me to believe he thinks its all about him and that he may be using people "free" to make his name.
which will be very bad as at any time he can be getting kick back, write his books and say "well i did everything free, i deserve at least the book profits..."
i follow woodie very closley and beleive in him, but i am having my doubts.
i agree. bandwidth is a problem with those people. they cant focus and talk about anything like its a visit to their home.
none of them are calling trades, posting live either.
in fact, if you watch TW_WI very closely you will see he posts trade entry after the fact. watch for it...
"eur long... t1 hit. t2 hit..."
WTF? oh i see he couldnt hit the enter key when he first entered the trade. ok i get it. but he sure hits teh enter key when it hits his targets.
and what does woodie do about it? NADA. ZIP. ZILCH.
are we trying to act like we dont do this, say everyone else adn all otehr rooms do this and then let it happen in our room now?
we need quality traders that can trade. period.
i am a member of woodies room too. i think they do the best they can. you are right they probably should move those people to the student room. they are free adn so is the rooms so its a good enough match. i miss the quality help he used to have. :(
i will say woodies moderating is very good. he calls entries and exits and helps others during the day. he doesn't drone on like the others. i wish he would get others like himself instead.
this was just emailed to me...
19:18:56 {woodie} trader art we do this for free..stop your
complaints on what we do..we don't need that attitude here
ok, someone was voicing a complaint, which by the way after looking over the transcript was nothing at all really if you can even call it a complaint at that, and woodie pounces on him (like he does most anybody if its something to do with him or gio only - he doesnt do this for others helping him becuase hes a lame, ego driven creep).
instead of talking with the person about the issue he thinks cause hes doing it for free (supposedly lol. lets see the kickbacks is all i got to say as an insider) that he can do anythign he wants.
thats exactly why im so glad this blog was created! he doesnt take feedback and he doesnt cherish the people who helped make a name for himself. we all know he didnt do it and that we did it for him by mistake maybe.
what do you think of this?
thanks for a blog site!
i have just announced in room that as of this month our room has donated over $100,000 to Make-A-Wish foundation since the start of this 2 years ago.
so now you know.
I love to listen to Jean Yus....his good mood is infectious!
TW we tease him and say he sounds like an airline pilot. He is so calm and patient.
Mplay gives out a tremendous amount of information. He is a character.
Dana is great at those tick replays and the ghost stuff. She has a lot of patience to run the student room with the same questions over and over. She is a saint.
The old gaurd of Rover, Soren, Biggs and Paul still keep on chugging out the winners and the losers.
I get a lot from all the moderators, but of course Woodie is my favorite. I always make money when he moderates, and isn't that why we are there....to make money?
You can get some good ideas from the trading rooms. But unless you see copies of actual brokerage statements, don't for 1 minute believe the results that are posted.
I'll say it again. The brokerage statement is the only truth in trading results. The rest can be fudged by paper trades, late calls and ambiguous double-talk.
WOODIE, READ THIS!
woodie, please... get the mods out of the main room while they 'try to teach' anybody in the room anything that comes to their mind. like people are saying BANDWIDTH is being wasted while we are trying to trade.
they don’t post live trades, TW posts trades AFTER they move his way, and they all just answer line for line every text chat that is typed.
what is the worth of it? where is your main trading room gone? do you notice no one is trading there like they did?
PLEASE, FIX THIS!
send them to the student room if they want to ramble on. lets get true traders that focus on the market.
hey, i know, tell them to moderate like how you moderate. think about it. trading room -> focus on trading. trade. trade. trade. not blather, blather, blather.
and who cares if its free. we donate thousands of dollars to make a wish for you and you are responsible to answer to us just like a business does.
thank god for this blog so we can share our opinions without you JUMPING on us when we give feedback.
woodie just announced that Tony_UK would be flying into the Denver TAL since there are a lot of people attending.
how much is that gonna take from the terminally ill children? first class air-fare, lodging, meals, drinks and rental cars. thats several thousands of dollars. $2.5K minimum if not $4K just to fly a person that doesnt even moderate or trade in the room any longer?
you can't get a local helper to pass out kool-aid during the event. it would be cheaper and would give 3 more terminally ill children their wish. isnt that the right thing to do instead of using this as a slush fund account at your whim.
your rational for bringing Tony_UK over and paying for his trip expenses would not stand up against any accountanting review or the IRS.
woodie, dont go down this path. lets keep it right - for the childrens sake.
thank you for listening.
dr bobs room kinda sucks. where has he been. moderators are all over the place. is he going to get any direction going in the room. i hope so.
drbob ran a TAL and posted the full costs of the 2 day TAL. No one was flown in to run it and no one's expenses were paid. If you want to see what it cost's to put on one of these things go to the webpage he made and figure out the finances of Woodie's TAL yourself.
http://www.geocities.com/molars97/NJTradeAlong2005.html?1113875147762
Woodie does not have to justify anything to anyone. Who are you? Why do you want "proof"? Isn't someone's word good enough?
I want proof that you trade anonymouse. Can I see your broker statements? And unless you make a profit, I don't think you are worth listening to! How do you like them apples?
If someone can anticipate a winner to warn you in advance, I guess they would be psychic! Gee you expect too much from a moderator!
If you ask any moderator how they do, they will honestly tell you in WCCI. No ifs ands or butts. IMHO that is all an unpaid moderator needs to do!
Best thing about Woodie's room and the fallout rate, it only takes 2 months to be a senior member.
honestly, woodies cci works well for me but the room has gone to hell. i hate to say it but the mods he has are just lame. what happened to all the great people that helped him create "woodies cci". honestly, he didnt do any of it. those people are the ones that created the "room" and the documents and the screens. he rarely says much. and types even less. right? you know thats right.
if it wasnt for nicktrader and the other traders like him and that guy that wrote the large cci document clearing up exaclty how to trade woodies cci and spreading the knowledge so fast woodie wouldnt be where he is today. they all helped so many people and he never really thanked them. i dont think he realized he would be nowhere without them. he seems to be using people left and right and he benifits from the huge kickbacks and doesnt even hook up the helpers from what i can tell. (except for the TM crap - all the mods are getting free trades and charts - woodie works for them. no doubt about it)
by the way, woodie is loosing ground fast too. turn over rate is huge. mods cant 'mod'. no one posts trades, not even the mods.
woodies room has had more trouble with mod's posting prices then without posting prices. read on, because this isn’t what you think.
the mods are constantly posting prices AFTER the fact, and only when the trade goes their way a bit. most mods, not all, do this.
it shows they are poor traders and possibly frauds front running the group. woodie doesn’t know these people. he doesn’t even get to know traders in the room. doesn’t track their calls. no investigation when people complain to him. its ridiculous how he thinks he can run a room and do nothing to manage it.
remember DAX? oh brother. every call posted was a winner by a few ticks right when he posted it. every single call. everyone of them. 100%. guess how that happened. people complained to woodie and he did nothing. he just wants the numbers of the room up because it makes him feel good. that’s all this is about. DAX was a fraud no doubt about it. funny thing is that woodie doesn’t even know about it past the fact that he was told about it.
more recently, TW_WI posts trades that also have already gone his way. same thing. they want to look good so they wait until they are in the green.
do i have to name them all? etc, etc.
what might be worse is that woodie is making a bundle saying "i do this for free, i trade for a living, i don’t sell things" well that’s a absolute lie. and i'm sure he will be investigated for fraud and more then likely convicted of it as well. he makes tons on his lecture with all the brand names he works with. he gets to travel for free all over the place, he gets FREE publicity now for his upcoming book (which i already know for a fact he is going to say "i deserve to keep at least this profit - its my life work, blah blah blah crapola). when in reality its all of the room people in the past that did all the work for him. he gets free trades, free charts as well. what else do you need? he's lying about all of this and we know it.
WAKE UP PEOPLE. PUT WOODIE AGAINST THE WALL AND CALL HIM OUT ON THE CARPET IN THE OPEN ROOM. HE IS NOT TRADING FOR A LIVING, HES MAKING A NAME FOR HINMSELF OFF OF ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
Sir i think you have hit the nail on the head as they say. In fact I remember back when Woodie was saying he is going to write a book as was asking for people to write chapters for him. If you don't know why that is then think about it. He can't write or develop anything for himself. Everything that has been done is becuase of the people that have helped him along the way. Woodie can't write and will be using people to create his book in which he will keep the profits. Some if not all of the profits for sure. And it was all done by the people in the room.
I think everyone is nice and tries to help so that is good. But Woodie is pulling one over on everyone trying to hide behind a 'free' room. When in fact, its the people in the room that are giving their time free for room help, trading, support, documents, etc. Woodie does very little actually. In fact, most (not all) of the trades/patterns were developed by others while talking with woodie over time and then he incorporated them.
Woodie is doing this for fame as your expense even though he says its for free.
woodie does try to help a bit but i think you are mostly right. he really doesn't praise or give much credit to the people that have helped him make it happen (except for susan - which thats just a love affair and nothing to do with trading).
without the traders doing all the work woodie would be nowhere. very true.
I like woodies room and dr bobs room too. I wish dr bobs room would have direction though. Dr bob needs to be in the room helping everyone learn his system. Otherwise its just another paypuke room. Woodie isnt there much at all but at least he shows up a bit and talks kinda.
what the hell is it lately with ADVERTISING in woodies room. good lord. it was bad enough with ESIGNAL crap. we let that one slide. all while woodie says, no advertising etc, etc. yeah, ok. right. esignal wasn’t advertising. wait, i forget, you ain't telling people you are getting free service for you, your close friends and also kickbacks from esignal. shhssssss.
but now we have PFGNEIL. why is this in caps? how much advertising do we have to put up with? all CAPS = PUSH IT IN YOU FACT ADVERTISING.
not to mention why does woodie allow this to happen? umm, kickbacks. that’s why. anybody want to question him in the room? or afraid he will boot you.
IF he was real about "free free free" and "they charge you money because they cant trade, etc" crap that he spouts off about then he wouldn’t be doing the same dam thing behind your back (which is really in front of your face) lol.
woodie has truly shown his colors and it doesn’t smell good. only newbies less then 6 months old don’t get it yet. they will. just like we did.
why wont woodie answer those questions? makes you think doesn’t it? why doesn’t he tell you he gets free trades, free charts, free computer parts and cash kickbacks from 'his' work (really the room traders work mostly).
how about JeanYus. selling his CD. pretend that he doesn’t notice when the room posts the wrong link to the site. which if you by it from that link he will not give the money to charity. you have to choose the correct link. funny how he doesn’t mention it when its posted. why do you think that is? you think he’s not on top of it? lol i doubt it.
threes nothing wrong with charging people money for actual work. that’s fair. but you must be fair in how you are dealing with free services. just because i say my room is free doesn’t mean that i don’t have to tell you all the things i'm getting in the background. the premise of the room is traders helping traders and free free free. but he’s getting cash, prizes for all of your hard work. think about it. its misleading and fraudulent.
people, its OUR room. NOT his. QUESTION him openly about these things for yoruself. watch his response. that will tell you all you need to know. you can do so under a different nickname if you are afraid of retaliation. change your nickname. post the question then log off. change your name back and come back later and look for response. they cant track any of it. and why should they?
just be sure to post a respectful question and leave it at that. woodie is a nice guy but not being honest is sort of like backstabbing and ends up being dishonest and manipulative in my book.
Woodie's room(s) have long suffered with inconsistent gestapo tactics. The paranoia runs rampant, whether it be fear of the Feds (to explain why the mods say nothing) or fear of going against Woodie (which explains why the mods are frauds who have 2 sets of charts - one for moderating and the real ones they trade off of).
Dr Bob's and Dharma's room suffers from consistent anarchy. It started off nicely with a bang off the momentum from being driven out of Woodieland, but there's been a lack of direction and inconsistent participation from its "leader" base. I think if they polled the room, the greater majority would be in favor of voice mods. That would go a long way in imposing some beneficial structure to the room. That would be the happy medium between both rooms: having a set structure of voice mods like Woodie has, but with the open freedom to truly say and trade honestly as the environment in Dr Bob's room fosters.
Just my 2 cents.
woodie has gone overboard now. did you guys see what just happened? a trader was asking woodie for help. woodie ignored the trader to instead harass a new member about why they are there if they aren’t using cci. then {sammy} pointed out to woodie that he should help the new trader and leave other traders alone regardless of cci or not. woodie said that {sammy} left the room. who knows but i sure know what happened next. woodie called it negative and erased the screen. now isn’t that funny. why would woodie do this?
no confidence in the transcript to prove woodie right? or was it that woodie realized he was made to look bad and the facts show it clearly?
i cant believe that he did that.
here is the transcript:
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{panda} woodie was in your room a year ago unfortunately doesnt work cci for me
{1dollar} woodie, is it ok to trade diff time frames from day to day
{woodie} ahh thought so why back?
{panda} just watching if you add something new to your method that could be usefull for me
{1dollar} one day w/trend, a 5 min, the next day a 1' w/no trend, I guess do you ever, ever trade time frames
{woodie} ok same ole patterns ..have worked for 14 years and still working...cci still rules
{panda} a year ago you dont have vegas trade
{woodie} vegas 2 years ago introduced
{woodie} dec at vegas TAL
{woodie} 2002
{panda} but you revealed it to other traders just only before ny expo 2005
{woodie} no ....i introduced it at vegas...see web site my presentation was recorded
{woodie} 2003 now i think about it ...not 2005
{panda} maybe time fliyesby
{woodie} buy the way it been doing well too...
{woodie} a great trend changing trade too
{1dollar}
{sammy} woodie, why are you slamming someone that is not asking for help. instead you have 1dollar asking for help and you are ignoring him. please help him and stop focusing on why someone came back to see whats going on. let people be free to trade as they want. cci or not. thanks.
{woodie} sammy you write something and leave..geeezzz
{woodie} i answered 1 $
{woodie} but your not here t know it...must been on the other side of my trades fri..forgot to thank him
{woodie} can't please them all....oh well
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then he went on to say that he should erase the negativity... and we all know what happened next.
poof. he cleared the screen.
can you beleive that. that poor guy has no confidence and way to big of an ego. he knows he was wrong and wont admit it.
why would you clear the screen over that? {sammy} didnt ask anything bad or wasn’t disrespectful. just voicing his concern that woodie was slamming one guy and not helping the one that needed it.
then woodie said its all free as if we are supposed to put up with anything he does. I DONT THINK SO. you answer to us and you will come to find that out. tick-tock-tick-tock. its not free. not with all the kickbacks you get and the name "we" are making for you on our own hard time.
woodie, that action was pathetic and i will be leaving your room as of now. what people are saying is apparently very true.
you are history pal.
looks like woodies getting frustrated at things. look what we saw in room tonight:
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yep, here is yet another isntance where woodie allows stuff that makes him look good without beibng critical of how the data was obtained. BUT when something shows up to say the cci doesn't work he rants adn raves all over the person saying he is CCI GOD blah blah etc.
i know cci works great for me but being educated i also know how people collect stats and how they can be misunderstood without qualifications.
woodie did the same crap with gb007 stuff. gb doesnt track trades like that. he just puts together some notes at the end of the day and since they agree with positive results for cci woodie slobbers all over gb. its damn silly. its a joke actually.
anyone ever see gb actually post trades in the room? i think not.
{woodie} what a great spreadsheet Comoke..all can use this to help them...Comoke please post on forum under your name for such great work...thks
puke! give me a break. woodie looked at it for 2 minutes and replied with that. years of trades trying to represent cci sucess and woodie doesnt even question how the results were recorded?
its this kind of BIAS toward members and their postsing that make woodie look really bad and embarrass me. thats why i quit being a moderator.
Check out MarkB in Tradershaven. Kind of superioe sounding sometimes but he gives good information. Today a 4 point russel trade because of some fib levels. good to see, he showsd how to do it.
I thought I was done with blogging when the cheeseguy signed off. I was emailed this link today and it seems I haven't missed much. I quit woodie's room months ago as I realize no one will ever learn to trade purely by listening to an assortment of moderators in a room with hundreds of people. My best (unsolicited) advice is to find a trader of the caliber of someone like gio and BEG to have her/him teach you on an individual basis. I haven't missed woodie's room for a minute other than when gio moderates. There are many good traders out there. Everyone needs to find the one who fits their personality. I use gio as an example because she trades the way I do (only she does it much better - from what I have seen.)
I am very disappointed to see that it's business as usual with woodie. All of us should be outraged that woodie would allow tonyuk to spend the money that should be going to MAW. I don't care if Peregrine is picking up the tab or not. There's no reason that Peregrine couldn't be donating that share to MAW or their own charitable concern. If they are paying instead of the TAL participants, then it's time that you woodie room fans let it be known that tonyuk is not necessary for you to attend the TAL in Denver or anywhere else. I was told that tonyuk not only took his wife to TAL's (at the expense of MAW) but turned a 2 day TAL into an 8 eight day vacation with all expenses paid including bar tabs that would baffle NASA. What is the point of tonyuk helping at a TAL? Can’t woodie get some geek kid for 15 bucks an hour to do what tonyuk does, but only better?
Woodie says all over the place that he’s doing all this for free. Well there’s not a thing wrong with telling people how the money’s spent if it’s all for free. Some may say it’s none of our business what woodie makes or doesn’t make. That’s true if woodie wasn’t running around the world telling people what a great guy he is and that’s it’s all for the good of traders and the MAW kids. He’s put himself into the realm of a flim-flam man when he says he gets nothing in return - when he actually may be getting plenty in return.
How can we believe he’s the great trader that he says he is when none of you have ever actually seen him trade? I understand the loyalty of many of you to woodie. I felt that way too for a long time. I think I’ve grown up though. There is not a person among you who shouldn’t be questioning the character of a man who erases every little negativity posted in the room. We’re adults (supposedly), I think we can handle a few negative posts occasionally. What woodie is erasing is any perceived attack on his character. It’s not an open room, it’s woodie’s little world and some of you are just his subjects, doing his bidding at his whim. Sure, you think you’re helping other traders, and maybe you are, but until woodie tells the truth about TAL expenses and perks from commercial sources, I can’t believe anything - and neither should you.
Just the tip of the iceberg....
i vote for woodie for sure. im a newbie and everyone is so nice. i hope he turns my trading around. its all free and i cant believe it!
bobcathy,
that is the most illogical and quite frankly ignorant comment i've probably heard in my lifetime.
there are many positive comments about trading rooms on this blog as a matter of fact. you discount those? of course not.
'can't please them all' logic shows that you can't argue the facts presented. which by the way i don't know why you would anyways. its woodie, drbobs, et, etc rooms and not yours to defend. make your comment and leave. its got nothing to do with you kiss-ass.
quiet people are the happiest people. what country do you live in? communist Russia?
ever heard of the Better Business Bureau where a complaint isn’t 'quiet'?
ever been to a Voting Booth where placing a vote isn’t 'quiet'?
ever went to speak to the manager of a retail store about a complaint. that’s not being 'quiet'?
we have all done those things for purposes that make it better for all of us.
problem in these rooms are that woodie, (and i would include the mods but they are just helpless as all hell and blind so nothing really to do with this whole issue), doesn’t allow any comments that are critical. and we all know where that leads him. same goes with drbob and any other trading room for that matter.
woodie told me he reads this bog. i hope that he also takes the advice from it. i'm sure he will eventually.
bobcathy, quit acting like we should all be quiet and happy. we are happy but we also like to give feedback and don’t just put up with any BS anybody gives us. its not how things work in this world.
woodie, in your case, has to be held accountable for what he does and say. he’s pulling the wool right over your eyes and you know it, i can tell by your comments actually.
i for one like woodies trading and follow woodie myself. however, i also see what underhanded crap he is pulling business wise that is misleading everyone in his room including outsiders. adding to that he is 'using' anyone that he can to make a name for himself and gives no true credit to the ones that actually help him develop his trading system, name or help spread this info around.
they all come and then leave like whores in the night and never get paid so to speak, just fucked. Woodie only has no more then 3 people close to him and actually they have nothing to do with the mechanics of trading. And they are not that close actually either. But they are the closest. The ONLY one that contradicts this is GB. But woodie uses him to try to help show “hey see cci really does work’ by citing GB’s absolutely ridiculous studies. GB doesn’t track that stuff in a manner that he should. i’ve talked to him numerous times and he just logs what he remembers for that day in his mind. Then he calls it 82% win ratio then tells woodie about it then woodie gets all excited and praises GB and the cci. Look, honestly, GB cant trade. You ever see him post trades, call trades, trade at all? He’s old, not good at trading. He cant even see that damn screen because he’s close to blind. Yet woodie uses him as a tool. Praise GB and then GB puts out a fake study about how woodies cci works so well. Well I know woodies cci works for me. but I also know GB doesn’t track things as people think he does. its just a symbiotic relationship. Woodie gets to act like “there has been a study done!” kind of thing and GB gets a name for himself. It’s a transparent act to most of us.
No other serious traders are close to woodie. Woodie only has people that are dying, getting old or susan and we all know why susan is sticking around. They are all nice people. Like them all, I do. But when we are talking woodie scamming, telling mistruths, half-baked stories and boasting its just got to stop. He’s screwing himself and time with tell. You can already see what’s happening…
i think he was commenting on the lies being presented to the people of the room, etc. it seems like he likes woodie and his cci but not how woodie is 'pulling the wool' over people eyes as quoted by that poster. some like me are disconnected from what really goes on behind the scenes. sounds like that person knows quite a bit. however, we both enjoy wooodies cci.
it does seem to me you are not presenting much of a argument or a weak argument if any bobcathy1. asking people to just 'let it go' and 'follow the force' isnt really the way things are done when excellence, fairness and friendship is expected. at least thats the way i see myself.
i find this bog usefull adn would like to hear from many others. i too see that woodie doesnt allow feedback and am very happy that this blog was started.
i would love to hear your opinion.
Please, Cathy. You've unsuccessfully hung around gurus for more than 5 minutes. There's an investment in time, money and effort that's difficult to just drop at a hat when it starts to creep in that the "system" isn't working or the guru might be nuts. Stop lecturing. You don't trade Woodie's way but you still hang around for the perk of feeling important and part of Woodie's inner circle. You have the 50 CCI on your charts, but you hide them when moderating. What a phony baloney. You're the picture definition of a hanger on, and you go lecturing people for hanging in there. You are also big on telling people to let things go, but when have you ever let anything go? You are fixated on rebutting and keeping arguments alive.
costs involved? are you kidding. everything is coming woodies and drbobs way free. just like his room is supposedly. when in fact he is using people like yoruself adn many others in teh past to make a name for himself and not giving credit to who really created the system, the methods and helped develop the room into what it is. at least that what im getting from the posts.
i think you comments need some expounding on a bit. please reply.
thank you
Cathy, just let it go. I'm from the planet where Woodie discards helpful people like used toilet paper, and when they dare to be sore about it, they're told to let it go.
hey great blog site! about time we can voice our opinions without getting booted.
bobcathy1, what do you mean "I just get upset when people think it is ok to criticize without rebuttle." ?
thats exaclty the problem woodie, drbob and so many other site have. but woodie is terrible at it. you cant ask or say anything to him. if it smeels bad then you are ridiculed, castrated or banned. you know its true. and THAT is the problem with woodie.
its just like clinton. he never lsitend to his true closest friends and he is sinking himself. see the turnover rate in woodies room. my god he should have over 1500 people in there by now. hes at 400. we helped him build that up to 800 and now he screwed up.
not to mention he cant keep good mods around. look at the curent ones. mostly 'terrible' mods imo. there not 'bad terrible' but not really good to be frank.
I agree with anon 11:14 post. Also want to add something. I see Gio uses CCI but does it a lot her way - she uses multiply timeframes, different charts than Woodie's, and no sidewinder. She doesn't use a lot of Woodie crap - sidewinder, plateau trade, etc. It's too bad she hasn't moderated the main room since May, although she does most Monday nights. I like her style.
Cathy,
Moderators, as well, come and go. You seem like a nice person, misguided, but nice. Do yourself a favor... ask woodie the following questions:
Why doesn't he trade live at one of the TAL's? I will bet u he will respond that it is against the law. Ask him what law? He will say that the lawyers have told him not to. What lawyers? Ask him why he can't lock the door to the room where the TAL is held and allow no one to access their account by way of phone or internet (hence no way he could be accused of giving trading advice). Why doesn't he prove he can trade with no possibilty of retribution of violating any SEC laws by doing this in private with TAL attendees? Every attendee can sign a statement they are watching a trading demonstration - this will eliminate the problems woodie says will happen with the SEC. Will he do this? No way. But go ahead and ask. I guarantee if I posted this in woodie's room it would be erased in seconds.
After that conversation with woodie, ask him about the moderators who are no longer around. They were valued memebers of the "team." Where are they now? If they were good enough to teach wcci, why do we not hear about them anymore? Where n any of wodie's articles does he mention any of them by name? Where are they given the recognition that they are the ones who make woodie's room work? An occasional thank you from woodie is not enough. Woodie is travelling the world on the backs of what the moderators do for him, and paying for suites with money that ought to be going to MAW. WTF is that all about? Woodie may be a nice guy in his own mind and in yours too but why must he say this all for free when he won't admit what the deal is?
Ask about TAL funds. Ask why the expenses can't be posted. Ask who would be embarassed by the accounting.
Ask me why it's any of my business. Because woodie makes it all of our business. He asks us to come to the TALs for our sake and for the sake of the kids. Now i'm not concerned about my trading - i am concerned about the kids. Woodie told us we were helping the kids. I want to know to what extent. Every charitable organization has to account for it's spending. Where is the accounting? Woodie will say he's not a charitable organization. Ask why he has to hide behind the one organization that will pull at he heartstrings of us all?
Cathy, ask why, ask why, and keep asking why. Then ask why some more. Ask why in the main room and see how fast you will disappear. I'll ask you why it would be so terrible of you to ask these things in the main room. This is not private information. This is information all of us who have listened to woodie and paid money to him should be entitled to.
Ask woodie why Tony has to fly in from England. He doesn't moderate anymore, he doesn't contribute anymore. Check out who owns the "woodie" website. Maybe that will give you a clue. Just make sure someone doesn't trip over the plug. Keep him happy at whatever cost. And at any cost do whatever it takes to make sure woodie looks good.
Then ask why.
Drbob ran a TAL and posted exactly what it cost to run his and gave back any funds over cost to the people who went.
It cost around $200 per person with a sit down dinner and full lunch and constant free beverage and snack service. This is with no one's expenses being reimbursed. No Tony UK flying in from overseas or moderators getting their expenses paid.
So after the next woodie TAL, just do some simple calculations based on $200 and the number of people who attended and you will know what the overage was. Then ask for an accounting of the balance.
Having been to a woodie TAL, we got a box lunch, no breakfast and a buffet dinner. There also werent any unlimited refreshments throughout. I figure that is worth about $25 per person off the $200 that drbob spent.
"I am very sad to see most people are posting here anonymously. I would like to know who you are and actually speak to you in the room. Are you so afraid of retaliation?"
Why would anyone be afraid of retaliation? If you speak out against Woodie, all you need fear is death threat emails against your family and your house being torched.
cathy it seems you are truly full of shit. anon at 12:32 asked some legitimate, provocative questions which i'd bet he or she already knows the answers to and you choose to keep your head up your ass. you stick your nose all over the place in defense of woodie and when someone asks you some tough questions it suddenly becomes none of your business?
one more thing, how bout posting a link to this site in woodie's room? let's see you do that. when you fall from woodie's graces you are gonna fall hard. of course it may take you a little longer than most. where i'm from we might call y'all a bit dim.
with cathy, it's "same shit, different blog." she spouts the same nonsense, then when the heat gets too hot, she bails.
then she comes back again.
so predictable.
she can never "just let it go."
let's note the time and see how long it takes cathy to come back. anyone wanna start a pool? lol
Well Cathy's already deleted all her own posts. Boy, like she's never done that before.
She even deleted her condolences to Dennis on his blog. She must really mean it ("I'm outta here!") this time. NOT. LOL
cathy .. i know you're reading this. the questions asked earlier seem fair and did not come across as maliscious. why not talk to woodie about them? do you still believe in santa claus, the easter bunny, and the tooth fairy too? grow up and remember life is a constant search for the truth.
I thought this would have comments of different rooms. Instead it's almost entirely about Woodie's room. No doubt someone there told the rest of the room and you all decided to complain here. Kinda pointless since you could have kept it all in-house. So my gripe is for this blog - It should be renamed "Woodie's Room Feedback". I don't think the person who started this blog intended it to go this way. Too bad.
I guess that since Woodie's CCI Club is the largest room, that they would have the most people responding.
All threads that are this long deteriorate over time into nothing but trolls.
Whoever owns this thing should start a new thread.
what room do you want us to post on? i've posted comments on both woodies cci and dr bobs room.
given the dr. bobs room sucks ass, has no direction and is a 5 person clique with no activites what more is there to talk about?
woodies room posting is quite interesting actaully. where else can you find this kind of information?
i have seen posts on specific moderators even and most of it was correct imo.
what i would like to see is more people posting their positive comments too. i've posted some. but most of that i am allowed to post in the room and i do.
THATS why this blog is so great adn i'm glad it was started. if you try to give the owners feedback you get booted. they are assholes for doing it and they are not professional in any sense of the word. not allowing feedback is actaully their downfall in the long run.
just my 2 cents.
Click link below to share your opinions with Woodie and the other trading rooms and moderators. This helps to make our room better!
http://trading-room-feedback.blogspot.com/
I agree with previous post. Given how many people are in Woodies room and the exposure he gets outside of it as well I think the posting is right on par.
Did anyone here Woodie tell us that he is going to make a Esignal commercial that will be ran on CNN and CNBC?
Now people, please think about this....
Think about what that means...
Commercial endorsing esignal. He's going to get paid. His name will be larger then before he keeps saying he can do what he wants because its all free...
Like many haven’t realized it’s not free. Everyone has given him the opportunity to have this happen for him. He didn’t do it for himself. We did it for him and that’s fine. What I do is because I want to do it.
However, he was never appreciative for what we have done for him. He makes deals behind our back that benefit him only and he honestly thinks it is all because of himself.
Think about this closely for 1 minute.
He doesn’t talk on the mic much at all, never did. Everyone else does for him. He doesn’t teach after market training like everyone else does. He hasn’t even written any documents whatsoever. Not even a single blip about how to trade his system. He did write some article for the magazines but we all had to help him write that because he cant write, which is perfectly fine. But it all comes back to benefit him. Do you wonder why the only mini-document he ever wrote (which was very trivial and non-informative to say the least) was for an external publication and NOT HIS OWN DAMN SITE OR PEOPLE THAT TRADE WITH HIM?
Everyone has created charts, developed new methods, patterns, techniques for his system. HE used very little of everything we use right now. But he gives no one credit and acts like its all about him. I truly feel duped and stupid for us having helped him at all. I question whether I was really tricked into it. It is funny how he never appreciated all the hard work we have done.
I have not come to the conclusion yet that he is a manipulator. I am not sure. I can say that he thinks all this is because of him and does not praise, give credit to or return the favor to anyone that has helped him.
That shows bad character I don’t care what he says about giving to a charity. That's probably just a ploy. You think he's not getting paid for Esignal commercial or PFG kickbacks? Why do you think he left Sierra charts which will do perfectly fine for trading Woodies CCI. Sierra can't afford to pay him anything. So he went to Esignal where he will get paid and get more recognition.
Too many good hearted, kind and very hardworking people have been burned and left with no true respect from Woodie for what they have done. Without them the room would be nothing like it was. Recently because people are become wise to this situation they now can't find moderators to help them, can't find people to train others in the room, can't find long term traders to post their trades, help aftermarket and develop new techniques or patterns.
No one wants to help Woodie any longer and he is struggling to try to do things on his own.
Woodie does not appreciate the fact that it is us traders and helpers that have made a name for him and he will learn this sooner or later.
Take time to come back and read this later tomorrow once again and you will understand more each time you read it.
Without our help Woodie will fade away, struggle to trade his system and resort to having to sell a book (which by the way remember that he said he had a GREAT plan to have each of use write a chapter – do you wonder why he came up with that idea?) to make money and finally jump into the ‘paid’ room market. You wait and see if what I’m saying isn’t true. He will use the excuse that people have to pay for something sooner or later and that’s why you will have to pay for the book and even pay for the room maybe and pay for other things etc. Do you see that he says you shouldn’t have to pay for sites, rooms or books if they were any good they would trade for themselves? Pretty slick plan. Not honest at all however. Then why is he going to make money off the book? Of the commercials? Off the articles? Honestly why not make money off the room? I’m not against that at all actually. What I’m against is him saying the room is for free but he gets kickbacks form Hotcomm, Esignal, PFG etc.
I trade Woodies CCI and it works for me. I like Woodie for the most part and he does like me a great deal as well. However, I am beginning to see how he is controlling things, planning things and making it all work out for him in a possibly dishonest way and it is not sitting well with many people, which is growing larger by the day as you can see the trouble he is having in his trading room. He is desperate. It’s evident.
Thanks for your time and tell your friends that just as we helped so very hard and worked so many long hours to help Woodie make a name for himself develop his system so that he can spread it around the world and that we can also turn that around to go the other way as well if we so choose because it was us that created what you see, not Woodie. He was just one single player just like any one of us.
Woodie needs your feedback to help make our room better:
http://trading-room-feedback.blogspot.com/
Well and knowing what is going on with the woodster and other GROUPS, FORUMS, TRADE ALONGS, MEETINGS or whatever you want to call them should make people think. Yeah that's right think! very rarely in life is something not said for a reason and you have to wonder. What happened to all those ex-amway sales people I mean really when people say that they are helping people and they are doing it all for FREE you really have to wonder that if they are getting sponsors etc then here come the kickbacks or free software or whatever and then they are truely not doing it for FREE because indeed the services they are using and are being given from various venders cost real cash to purchase lease etc. Further more "People who can do ,those who can't TEACH" I have never seen it any different and it doesn't matter if it's sales seminars or whatever. Very rarely do people truely do things for FREE. After all there is no such thing as a free lunch, and if your served enough pretzels eventually you'll need water to drink and you know they'll be waiting at the door making you buy it!!
Rover....I really wish you would take that silly MACD off your charts! Tired of hearing the newbies ask what it is! I enjoy your moderating though and make money when you are on.
Gio...come back soon, we miss you on Weds morning. I get a lot out of your commentary. I saw that 50cci though.....hmmm.
Woodie....you are the best moderator. You keep it plain and it works! You are the man!
Dana....I enjoy the tick replay and your approach....but there are just too many trend lines on your charts. Have to clean those charts up as you go honey.
TW...you need to slow down, what are you putting in your Wheaties? Talk to Clint, he is so calm when he moderates. Even though he has cows in the living room.
Soren...just keep doing what you do. Like you calm voice. And Biggs, you are such a gentleman and stick to business when you moderate. Good!
Paul....I know you trade a LOT...but you flip the charts so much, I am totally lost and a little naseous.
JeanYus and Mplay...you two need to take your show on the road! You are truly the comedy central of WCCI.
Cathy....where did you get to girl? Leave on a cruise on your boat?
you guys wonder why woodie never has training sessions himself?
ever wonder why woodie logs in on the weekends and doesnt say hello or help anyone?
are your wondering why woodie is only doing 2 days a week in his own room now? half days at that?
anybody know why 'Angela' in drbobs room is such a bitch? sorry but i don't know what other words to put it in and i think we are all adults here lol. why does she jump on everyone one moment and at others 'tries' to help others
i say 'tries' because she is less then close to qualified to help anyone - she can't trade at all and struggles with new methods when she actaully tries to trade but that begs another question as to why she is even a moderator in drbobs room. but who knows, drbob just picks a few people that do what he says and nothing else. kinda pathetic but doesn't matter to me since his room doesn't have a focus, strategy, etc.
from what i can tell she likes to use high intellect words that are mostly incorrect, is looking for other work becuase she can't trade and she just likes to talk talk talk. it's almost as bad as gio except gio tries to trade.
kiwi,
i am failing at trading and have worked hard to help everyone but no one helps me or respects me as the best. i am leaving you all, good luck to you in the markets. i struggled long enough and can't do it any longer. i will pass my code onto someone that wants it but it isn't written very well so be prepared. i am not a programmer by any stretch of the imagination and have failed at trading as well.
good bye,
kiwi
what is that a goodbye letter to himself? lol he must be upset at his trading account loses.
kiwi, maybe stop 'trying' to help people and focus on trading. i can help you get your account back together. let me know.
travis
I thought I would take this opportunity to respond to some of the comments/questions regarding the TH room.
Most of you know our history in WCCI so there is no need to go into details here.Most of you also know that during our time in WCCI we had a side chat where we traded with a handful of friends we met thru Woodies.Once it became clear that the 50 cci was not welcome in the room any longer, I suggested to Bob that we open our own room so that we could continue to trade with our friends and anyone else who wanted to join in,regardless of the method they traded.It was never our intention to try and compete with WCCI nor did we wish to emulate WCCI in any way.In fact we were all a bit surprised as to the number of people that have joined us.
In the beginning the question as to wether or not we'd have moderators was asked. I put it out into the room and the responce was luke warm. Most said they enjoyed the quiet and prefered not to have formal moderators. we did however welcome anyone that wanted to ..to take the mic. We have and still do continue to try to offer help to anyone who wants to learn more about the set ups, all they have to do is ask.I am willing to skype during market hours, answer PM's or whatever anyone needs to move forward.I am not saying that the 50 cci is the answer to anyones prayers...all I know is it works for me, and I am happy to share whatever I know.
Someone posted that the room suffered from consistant anarchy....that might very well be true. I guess it goes back to the fact that we never intended to open a teaching room, and kind of just let people post freely. We tried not to create too many rules..in fact the only one we really were steadfast on was the no bashing policy,which most people have had no trouble abiding by.I suppose we could tighten up a bit and regulate the postings more...it is very tuff to find that balance.
Anon 7:11 regarding your post...I am sorry that you find Anglea isn't your cup of tea. I guess the chatroom world is the same as real life...you can't have everyone like you. However...since you asked why she was a Mod in or room I will tell you. Angela is an intelligent insightful giving person. She does her best to help anyone who asks and gives of herself freely.Since I have known her, she has come a long way as a trader...she has worked hard and continues to do so. Perhaps she is still experimenting to find what style suits her best....but I think to some degree most of us are trying to find our way in this business. Angela isnt a mod in TH b/c Bob see her as a yes person that does what he says...she is a a valued and respected friend and we are lucky to have her as part of our group. In fact out of the 4 Moderators in the group no 2 trade alike...we all trade different methods. We all learn from eachother....and that is the point of a free and open forum....no one way of trading is best...it is not one size fits all. Hopefully thru all of the different sytles of trading we can find certain things that speak to us...and we can in turn create our own methods to better trade consistanly.
If you are in our room and you have a suggestion on how you think the room would be better run...post it.Just rember...its all about ideas...not people.
I wish you all nothing but success in your trading.
Regards,
Dharma
dharma,
thanks for letting us know about what i'm not sure but it sounds like you had a point somewhere in there.
the room wont last long, its dying as we speak and just having a 50 cci and think that is good enough to create a separate room is kinds silly. maybe i will open a 45 cci room and beat your entries lol. so needless to say its a bad concept.
btw, your lame excuse of why you all were booted is just that. lame. you were sneaking behind woodies back and lied to him. be a man (even though you are just a woman) and say it like it is. tell people straight in life what you think. dont be liars. and dont be cry-babies.
here is free advice: get focused, make a plan and go fourth to create a room. dr bob himself is just a whinner and can't trade very well himself. he will learn if he keeps it up. you all will.
god bless and hang in there.
Hi Royb.
Just went back and read my post ..your right it was long lol.
Ok here it is since I wasn't clear the first time.
First we didn't get "booted" out of WCCI. Hmmm and as for going behind his back and telling lies...I am confused. Lets see W knew we had a side room. He invited Bob to speak at His TAL in Anahiem. We had talked to W the year before in NJ and showed him what we were doing...but ok if you say we lied then I guess you know..so cool.
OK heres goes...we never made any promises to anyone when the room was first opened. The intention was to just continue trading with the orignial group we always traded with..and anyone who wanted to join us was welcome regardless of method traded...B/C its not a cci room. The Mods all trade diff methods B/C its not a CCI room.he posts arent strictly monitored b/c why? You guessed it...its an open forum to trade what ever method you want.
The room was not opened to be a teaching room per sey.
You say the room is dying as we speak...well I guess that depends on how you look at it.none of us want to make a Free Chat room a full time job. Our intention was to have a place where we could trade the way we want and enjoy eachothers company. We don't really care about numbers in the room...I don't mean to be rude royb but it makes no difference to us wether your there or not..we will go on trading the way we always do.You said to get a plan and stick with it..thats great advice.
The plan is this...now lets see if I can be clear..far be it for anyone to accuse me of not speaking my mind. We will continue to trade the methods we choose with the people we want to trade with. We will continue to answer questions from anyone who wants to ask, we will help anyone who wants to seek help.We will continue to abide by our no bashing policy.
If for any reason there is anyone who dosen't like the room for whatever reason.....they are free to exit and find another room. There are dozens of room out there I am sure you can find one you at least like a little bit.There will be no hard feelings.
For those that enjoy the room and have suggestions on how to make it a more positive place you can post your suggestons in the room...we don't react badly to that sort of thing there. And if I wasnt clear the first time if you dont like the room you may EXIT...I will even hand over a few suggestions on other rooms if you tell me what your looking for.
As for your comment about Bob well whatever I guess you know firsthand about him as well.Funny all the times I have traded with him he must have been fooling me somehow. But thank you for enlightening me.Oh and I guess you must have missed my comment in my long winded previous post....Comments are welcome
BUT lets remeber its about ideas not people. So Royb(why does that nick not look familliar) I mean I am sure your posting under your room nick right? In closing I really do wish you and everyone reading this nothing but success with your trading.
Trade well all
Dharma
markb,
how did i know that was coming lol. what a cheap ass sucker you are. posting your room link, talking about your next seminar.
let me tell others about your new room. first off, its obvious there is no direction in your room. second, all you do is use cci a bit and many other things which you dont explain, wont help others with, etc. but mostly, there is NO training, dont lie. there is no one helping others in that room. its a small clique of 5 people and stragglers. nothing more, nothing less.
most are nice people but none are actual hard core traders in thta rooom. mostly a collection of misfits.
markb, be a man instead tonight and remove your post and repost it without you room link if you didnt mean to try to sell something.
im waiting...
There is nothing on that site for sale.
dharma,
comments are welcome. oh, ok i see. so when drbob attacked some poor new person for asking him how much he paid for the room and how it works then thats not really the same thing is it?
he never relented, that asshole even posted private messages to him from that person telling him they were just trying to find out some info and that it would be appreciated if he wouldnt attack so violently.
turns out that person went and asked hotcom-ed to get the info and that was that. i dont see that person around anymore so i guess drbob is really doing well with treating people like that.
and NONE of you pussy little wimps stood up for it. why? cuz you are scared drbob will kick you out. hes a punk, he's scared and he's learning his lesson.
i hate spinless crotches like you idiots. you can stick to your group and go to hell for not protecting this new person from an attack like that. but you can never be seens as goood people becuase of that. in fact many of us left your room right after that.
drbob has no morals, etchis or respect when he thinks he is right. and thats when you can see the true sign of a solid person. anybody can act nice when not under so much stress as he has been lately.
i stand up for people no matter how much it hurts me. how about you guys? i didnt think so.
"There is nothing on that site for sale."
yeah right, thats the same old line woodie uses. i can see you learned well from him. eat my pretzels...they are free.
ok now do you need to buy some beer? its quite expensive. lol
we know how that works.
When I fist saw this thread I thought that maybe it would be something constructive.... and then I made the mistake of posting. Anon 2:19 I have no idea wha you are talking about when you say bob attacked someone in the room for asking how much the room cost? First I dont see why someone would be asking that question...all the informaton for obtaining a room including cost is listed on the HC site for all to see. So I am not sure I understand the relavance to the question the newbie posted...I will certainly go back in the room logs to see just how horribly vicious dr bob was tho and I am also sure I will see you post defending this poor soul since as you yourself said you always stand up for people no matter how much it hurts.. Also I am not sure what lesson it is that Bob is learning as I said before the numbers in the room dont matter. Thats not the point of the room...why do I feel like I am repeating myself.Its so simple if you dont like the room go away..I assure you we will get over it.
Oh and what does calling me names accomplish? Do you realy think an anon post will offend me? LOL. Or was there another point to the name calling? You havent offended me in the least...you have however made me pitty you...I pitty that grade shcool name calling is the only way you see fit to express your feelings...and for that I am truly sorry. I am sure that your name calling posting would make your wife...sister...mother ...daughter very proud of the man you are. Go ahead show them your post see what they think.
Anyway this will be the last time I say this..please if you dont like TH its Mods and all the rest in there leave honestly we don't care...we don't gain or loose anything by your presence.
trade well
D
did you say you are a moderator in drbobs room?
man, if you act like that here i cant imagine how you treat others in the room. if what the other poster said about the new person and what you just got done saying then i sure wont visit your website at all.
get some class and civility.
laura
oh my god, that previous post was for markb, but now you can add that post to be for dharma too.
i can't believe what manners these people are lacking. and you are a woman? holy cow is all i can say.
what kind of dictating room would allow mods like you guys to be in? i certainly won't be visiting your room wherever it is located.
if i understand this right there are 5 main people. drbob, mrakb and dharma as mods. so i've just witnessed posts about and from 3 of them. this is what they have to offer?
"i dont care if you are a part of our room..."
"violent atacks on a new member..."
"suck my ass..."
etc...
people, focus on your trading and let us be alone. find some humanity and leave people be.
dharma, what kind of mod would search the logs to try to attack another member. you are incredible bitch too. you and drbob make a complete set of twins. retalitory, non-functional, angry human beings.
when i read the post about the new person asking how much the rooom costs i though to myself, yeah how much does a room cost. can we start our own, etc. just normal questions. but seems that you want to hide that too. explain it away as "what right does a new person have to ask those questions... blah blah blah.
i'm glad woodie booted you skankie filth people from his room. i never knew how vile you all could be. show some compassion and quit attacking people.
Woodie and drbob have a lot in common. Both have their mods do their dirty work. At least bobcathy doesn't take up much space to say nothing worthwhile. You guys called her dumb but she ain't a bitch like the two/three mods from tradershaven. That piss poor attitude told us just what to expect in that HAVEN!!
What a lameass attack on TH, angela, dharma, etc by ONE very angry woodite cultist. How are you compensated for your sad, bitter brownshirt tactics? I mean aside from free charts, data, TM, HC and plane tickets and hotel accomodations on the neverending corporate sponsored WCCI tour of the world.
I can't take one word on this site as the truth. Who knows who is really posting? Are these the people we think they are, or just some trolls? God only knows!
It is $699 a year to have your own room. All you need is ONE PresenterPro lisence on HotComm and for the rest of the people in your room to be signed up for at least HotComm Lite.
Why you keep asking people what they pay is beyond me. It is right there on www.hotcomm.com !!!!
No wonder they get annoyed with you doo doo birds!
The only person I know does not pay is Woodie with all his rooms. With 700 paying customers, I can see why they gave it to him for "free".
any chance of getting jimmyparky as a voice moderator in drbob's or woodie's room? he seems to have the only can't lose system around.
anon 428:
Concur with your sane comment. Agree that jimmyparky is better than all those mods in all 12 rooms, if he would post btf.
Good trading all.
"Why you keep asking people what they pay is beyond me. It is right there on www.hotcomm.com !!!!"
Did you forget about the presentation room fee based on the number in your room? A 200 room max is $500 per month. A 300 room is $700 per month. drbob has had over 200 in his room. Is he paying $700 per month for that, in addition to the $699/yr software fee?
Please show the URL on HotComm that says you can have a 300 limit presentation room for only $699 - that is, the room fee based on the number in the room is waved. I can't find that statement on the HC site.
When Sport had his room, he had to pay HC additional monthly fees as the number of attendees (all which had at least HC Lite) increased. If drbob is only paying for the software, and not the room fee, then it appears HC owes Sport a large refund.
Just follow the money sheeple on the hotcomm rooms ! Who do you think makes the money. If it was truly free, one would use a free chat room. Based on the postings in Drbob's room, a totally free mirc room is wholly adequate, including logs.
thx david_uk and others, for running off poster jimmyparky.
Whatever happened to posters cluelesstrader, charlesd and others in drbob's,
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There is your URL. Good God you idiots are lazy. LOL
Dynamic Desktop is a Product, and is available "free" with other HC presenter clients.
But this says NOTHING about the room fees based on the number in the room. Suggest you check the fee schedule as well, and you will see that HC normally charges additional room fees, starting with $100/month for a 25 user Presentation room. See:
http://www.hotcomm.com/order.asp
So again, where does HC say the FEES are waved? Free extra software for the owner is not the same as the room fee. Any why did Sport have to PAY for his chatroom based on the # of attendees?
Is jimmyparky a reincarnated antiicc? Anyone have evidence who he is?
Oh my is HotComm expensive. Why aren't you asking HotComm how much they would charge you for a room? Seems their fees are a little complicated and really out of line for all except corporate clients.
My little 4 person chat room hardly needs something like that! mIRC and Skype and we have all we need for free. LOL
Call hotcomm (toll free), and ask them, how much per month for room for about 250 people, and you will get an answer. Better yet, do it via email, so it is in writing. That is the only way you know, what it costs !
I think david_uk, should do the moderating.
TW, you arn't "really" a true moderator as it goes. honestly, you probably should be in the students room becuase its free too with dana. your skills, information and abilities aren't exactly what woodie is wanting. its just that he doens't have anybody good at the moment.
hang in there and someday you will also be a good trader and can then help people.
TW, if this is the tw_wi from woodies room then i think you don't realize he was trying to be nice to you. from what i can tell you do not trade very well and mostly just talk about anything and everything just beucase you see something posted. its like you wanna be a star and say everything you can. the "we" do this here and "we" do that here like as if you have been and are number one in the room makes lots of us laugh.
look, we have been here a very long time and have seen real moderators/traders and 'others'. try to take it as constructive crit and move on.
as far as a 'trade-off' do you realize that first we already know how you 'trade' and second you are acting out of childish spirit and thus making you look worse. don't be silly. just take the comments and reflect.
TW,
Please my friend. You are embarrassing yourself and don't see it. Maybe ask Woodie what they mean.
Ted
I believe TW was one of only 2 people to ever take the mic for most of the trading day in drbob's room (Rover was the other). Cathy was also hanging out a lot and I thought she was hankering to grab some voice time too. Some folks just love to talk. :)
Anyway that was an entertaining one day only event, TW. You were taking some veiled shots at Woodie and his paranoia and gestapo tactics, so that was funny. I guess Woodie put his boot down and all you guys had to decide where your true loyalties lie. Of course, you went with the free data, charts and frontend. That's fine. Good luck to you. Hope you're making strides in your trading (secretly, since you have to get rid of the 50 CCI when moderating for Woodie).
Lemme tell you this. I know for a fact Cathy does not like moderating. Having that many people in a room listening scares her half to death.
You know, that 50cci thing really sucks. I tried it and tested it and it is full of false signals. I just use basic old CCI and it makes me money.
I don't see what the big hoopla is all about!
Cathy FL if you are going to post as anonymous, you shouldnt use the same language you used in the posts that you deleted. "full of false signals", "makes me money", etc. You just can't stay away can you? Blogging is like a bad drug. It becomes addictive, Maybe you should just go check the dock lines rather than reading the blogs.
You got the wrong girl. Guess again 9:45:44.....
You know what really gets me about the moderating?
It is that HotComm constantly craps out like 100 times a day!
Really sucks and it is expensive to lease. They gotta fix it! HotComm are you listening?
this Mplay guy, best case a phoney, worst case a co-scammer.
if i were a betting man, i'd bet he does not even trade.
woodie, need to upgrade your moderators, newbies can see right thru these fakes you have now.
Hey kids,
You know who runs this Blog?
Dennis aka Traders Paradise.
A little birdie just told me. Hey, I can look up IP#s too!
LMAO.
jimmyparky is back and posting, hope david_uk, does not run him off with stupid comments
sport doesn't own this blog. none of the room owners do. that's kinda obvious to everyone.
Whoever does own this blog should create another damn entry, because this comment section is getting a tad too long.
It really looks like Woodie's CCI Club is making a few needed changes because of this blog.
Way to Go!
I don't think this blog has done anything good for Traders Haven HotComm room. Still the same old crappy attitude. Only the TradersHaven site is worth going to IMHO.
tww, you are the GREATEST trader I have ever seen. I love the way you pick your euro longs at the top of consolidations and how you short the euro at the bottoms without even having a real CCI signal. Furthermore I find it extremely entertaining that, after you stop yourself out after a couple of seconds, you say to yourself: "well.hmm.Ok. That was still a good trade though, right? I followed my rules and got out with a couple of ticks loss. You cant win everytime you know."
I also love the way you always so perfectly KNOW where ALL the price traders in the world gets in and gets out. And they ALL get in at the wrong time, right?
Finally TWW: Maybe you should try to learn the CCI setups first before you moderate anymore? You know: that could really help your trading...
I first joined WCCI as I felt what Woodie was doing for traders and the kids was extraordinary. I'd never seen anything like it and was impressed with him and the numerous experienced traders in the room helping people. I'm now a former WCCI room member, because the attitude of the room changed drastically last year when many good moderators were run off for one reason or another, in my eyes, simply because they were trying to help others and building upon Woodie's methods. Everyone got quiet for fear of saying something wrong & getting booted. The former mods I speak of didn't try to replace his method, just tweaking it a bit and sharing their ideas. Dr. Bob & Verus were the two best moderators of all, as Woodie first supported the cci50 plays, then completely rejected it once it was found to do quite well and traders started talking about it more than the "classic" signals. That's Woodie's right since it is his channel, but make a decision instead of flip-flopping on whether to support it or not. I recall a shiester named Dax that came up w/ the plateau, notch & other trade patterns that were also heavily supported & talked about, and probably would still be talked about, until it was found out he was a crook, but they were supported even though they weren't "classic" signals. This two-faced environment simply wore me out. I was left listening to Gio & other "mods" drone on day by day about nothing, while posting only winners after the fact. I've never seen gio post a losing trade in 1.5 years nor a winning trade when entered, whereas Rover, Biggs, and formerly Ricky before gio pissed him off about his bold typing letters in the channel because it distracted her, tell you exactly what they see and what they're doing. If you're going to moderate, even for free, at least attempt to be realistic and up front with what you're doing, instead of posting an 8 point winner hours later (that helps nobody), during which you probably sat through enormous drawdown you didn't want anybody to know about. This game we call trading is difficult enough as it is without having to sift through the smoke and mirrors. I wish you all good trading.
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